Re: Re: David’s Guidance

[julie]

Hi Joanie,

O.K. I see you have not understood me. Your friendship means a lot to me and you know I love you very much. I wonder how best to answer. Maybe I have misunderstood you too? I do not want to upset you or cause you pain in any way, but I think this is important, so I want to be clear.

I too am/was speaking of spirituality and the path to awakening, not a “spiritual high”.

I think every person has a different life and different experiences. Not one person has been raised exactly the same, nor have they come in with the same past life experiences. You have had your current and past life experiences and that is what has brought you to where you are today. That is good and honorable. I am not trying to take away from that. However, I feel that your first post pointed to ALL Jews and stereotyped them as being “kept from Source” and not “having the sort of spiritual awakenings as Christians”. It painted a picture of an entire group of people in a negative light. I was sad about that. I do not want people to point out another people and say “these people are not love and light, I say no to them and all they are” (no matter what religion people are) for it stops the flow of love and peace. So, I tried to offer the positive and show that there are exceptions to your statements. I tried to show that it is not a group of people as a whole, but individuals within Each group that may not have found the right path yet.

I know many Jews that have been told that they were going to hell just because they are Jewish or asked where their horns were (because certain religions teach that Jews are Satan’s spawn and therefore born with horns). Mexicans are labeled as “lazy”. Hispanics must be a certain color in order to be truly Hispanic. Each of these labels/stereotypes creates a negative flow instead of a positive one. This is why I am so passionate. I want the love to continue, not stop. I pray for myself and all people to be open and accepting, loving and patient. For all people, all things, all beings.

In my opinion, Judaism does not focus on “trials and horrors”. It talks about them, as do other religions. I believe the focus of Judaism is love, compassion, trust and faith. I have heard many services on forgiveness. This has been my experience.

I too am talking about and also believe that spiritual path extends beyond religion. But I do not see “beyond” as shutting the door on any one thing, just moving on/out while still including and honoring religions. Like a path that winds through many towns, you can pick up souvenirs from each town along the way and love each one. I think the difference is I feel you are saying that it can not be done unless one renounces Judaism (and only Judaism). And if one does not renounce Judaism then one can not be on the proper spiritual road.

Yes! It is true that ALL religions contain rules that are out of step with peace for all beings, love and light. It is not just the Jewish religion though. It is up to each one of us to look at these rules and ask ourselves, “Does this contribute to peace and love for all beings?” “Does this encourage love or stop the flow of love and acceptance?” These are questions all people must ask themselves in EVERY religion. It is each person’s responsibility to question and seek answers.

Yes! Our experiences with Jewish people embracing Jesus are different! This was exactly my point! You know only a certain amount of Jewish people and they have led you to see and feel about Jewish people in a certain way, but they are not hard facts about the millions of people who call themselves Jews. Some do not believe in Jesus yet, but they are on the right road towards spiritual, metaphysical enlightenment, some wear head coverings but they too are on the right road, some believe in Jesus and Buddha, reincarnation and soothsayers and they too are on the right road…..There are SO many more Jewish people out there all over the world and they are all so different. It can not be true that Jews do not have “the sort of spiritual awakenings as Christians” and that Jews are “one of the last to awaken”. Individuals within each group, or the individuals you have known, yes. An entire group of people, my experience tell me no.

I love you dearly, Joanie. You are my sister and friend. I honor you and your path and thank you for your love and your guidance.

Thank you for encouraging the discussion. I hope I was able to be a bit more clear.
With love and light,
Julisa