bearer of light, anchor of love

[opalescent]

Winter Solstice Meditation, the story of Lucifer
[youtube:ue8g5rkz]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lSRucLapTk[/youtube:ue8g5rkz]

[GTTOWNSEND]

Beautiful.
(All teared up.)

[opalescent]

I don’t know about you, but speaking of tears, I can’t sing any Christmas songs without choking up at least a little. Well, most Christmas songs, anyway. The love is right there. Okay, back to Lucifer…

[MushiMushi]

Hmmm… that is a very nice interpretation of the Biblical story of the fall of Lucifer. Although I had never heard it portrayed like that… I must say that it is a wonderful way to think of it, as God has given us this duality so that we may experience choice and through our choice we then bring ourselves closer or further from our end goal.

The Veda’s talk of a being that was created by Lord Vishnu called Lord Yamraj, and this being was to be the judge before the soul would take a body on a hellish planet to pay their karmic debt and undergo the cleansing process of suffering. The Vedic cosmology talks of 3 planetary systems… Lower planets, Middle Planets and Higher Planets… On the lower hellish planets there living is of a nature where they suffer. Conditions are very hot or very cold… and in those planets the spirit entity is given a body to facilitate this suffering. Then the middle planetary systems where duality is equipoised. We suffer and enjoy equally based on our actions. Earth is on the middle planetary plane. The finally the higher planets which are the abodes of the demigods, angels and other more subtle higher beings. Birth on these planets is charecterised by long life and enjoyment in blissful states of being. The “rope of duality” as was mentioned in this video spans throughout planetary systems which place themselves on it much like that of a temperature gauge. VERY BAD TO VERY GOOD living conditions. This is what constitutes material existence in the Vedic sense.

[opalescent]

That wasn’t “Biblical”. You’d have to go back to Zoroastrian writings, and beyond that, to follow that thread. (Which I heartily recommend, and here is a good place to start: http://www.avesta.org/

This is a bit from the website Joy of Satan:

His Day is Monday.
His Colors are Blue, Red and Black
He is the Sumerian God EA, also known as ENKI which means “Lord of the Earth.” He is also known as Melek Ta’us.
Animals that are sacred to him are the Peacock, the Serpent, the Goat, the Dragon and the Raven.
His numbers are 2 and 11 and 4. (666 is symbolic of the Age of Aquarius when he will rule again).
His Zodiac Signs are Aquarius, the Water Bearer and Capricorn, the Goat.
His Planets are Uranus and Venus (the Morning Star).
His Directions are both South and East
His most Important Day of the year is December 23, when the Sun is one degree into Capricorn. Capricorn is the 10th sign of the zodiac and the first degree of this sign makes eleven. The day following the beginning of the Winter Solstice is his Personal Day, which should be observed by every dedicated Satanist. (This was dictated directly from him, personally).

[Will]

…here are a few ideas from the Urantia Book…

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033:4 GABRIEL—THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE
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33:4.1 The Bright and Morning Star is the personalization of the first concept of identity and ideal of personality conceived by the Creator Son and the local universe manifestation of the Infinite Spirit. Going back to the early days of the local universe, before the union of the Creator Son and the Mother Spirit in the bonds of creative association, back to the times before the beginning of the creation of their versatile family of sons and daughters, the first conjoint act of this early and free association of these two divine persons results in the creation of the highest spirit personality of the Son and the Spirit, the Bright and Morning Star.
33:4.2 Only one such being of wisdom and majesty is brought forth in each local universe. The Universal Father and the Eternal Son can, in fact do, create an unlimited number of Sons in divinity equal to themselves; but such Sons, in union with the Daughters of the Infinite Spirit, can create only one Bright and Morning Star in each universe, a being like themselves and partaking freely of their combined natures but not of their creative prerogatives. Gabriel of Salvington is like the Universe Son in divinity of nature though considerably limited in the attributes of Deity.
33:4.3 This first-born of the parents of a new universe is a unique personality possessing many wonderful traits not visibly present in either ancestor, a being of unprecedented versatility and unimagined brilliance. This supernal personality embraces the divine will of the Son combined with the creative imagination of the Spirit. The thoughts and acts of the Bright and Morning Star will ever be fully representative of both the Creator Son and the Creative Spirit. Such a being is also capable of a broad understanding of, and sympathetic contact with, both the spiritual seraphic hosts and the material evolutionary will creatures.
33:4.4 The Bright and Morning Star is not a creator, but he is a marvelous administrator, being the personal administrative representative of the Creator Son. Aside from creation and life impartation the Son and the Spirit never confer upon important universe procedures without Gabriel’s presence.
33:4.5 Gabriel of Salvington is the chief executive of the universe of Nebadon and the arbiter of all executive appeals respecting its administration. This universe executive was created fully endowed for his work, but he has gained experience with the growth and evolution of our local creation.
33:4.6 Gabriel is the chief officer of execution for superuniverse mandates relating to nonpersonal affairs in the local universe. Most matters pertaining to mass judgment and dispensational resurrections, adjudicated by the Ancients of Days, are also delegated to Gabriel and his staff for execution. Gabriel is thus the combined chief executive of both the super- and the local universe rulers. He has at his command an able corps of administrative assistants, created for their special work, who are unrevealed to evolutionary mortals. In addition to these assistants, Gabriel may employ any and all of the orders of celestial beings functioning in Nebadon, and he is also the commander in chief of ” the armies of heaven “—the celestial hosts.
33:4.7 Gabriel and his staff are not teachers; they are administrators. They were never known to depart from their regular work except when Michael was incarnated on a creature bestowal. During such bestowals Gabriel was ever attendant on the will of the incarnated Son, and with the collaboration of the Union of Days, he became the actual director of universe affairs during the later bestowals. Gabriel has been closely identified with the history and development of Urantia ever since the mortal bestowal of Michael.
33:4.8 Aside from meeting Gabriel on the bestowal worlds and at the times of general- and special-resurrection roll calls, mortals will seldom encounter him as they ascend through the local universe until they are inducted into the administrative work of the local creation. As administrators, of whatever order or degree, you will come under the direction of Gabriel.

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PAPER 53: THE LUCIFER REBELLION
Manovandet Melchizedek
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53:0.1 Lucifer was a brilliant primary Lanonandek Son of Nebadon. He had experienced service in many systems, had been a high counselor of his group, and was distinguished for wisdom, sagacity, and efficiency. Lucifer was number 37 of his order, and when commissioned by the Melchizedeks, he was designated as one of the one hundred most able and brilliant personalities in more than seven hundred thousand of his kind. From such a magnificent beginning, through evil and error, he embraced sin and now is numbered as one of three System Sovereigns in Nebadon who have succumbed to the urge of self and surrendered to the sophistry of spurious personal liberty—rejection of universe allegiance and disregard of fraternal obligations, blindness to cosmic relationships.
53:0.2 In the universe of Nebadon, the domain of Christ Michael, there are ten thousand systems of inhabited worlds. In all the history of Lanonandek Sons, in all their work throughout these thousands of systems and at the universe headquarters, only three System Sovereigns have ever been found in contempt of the government of the Creator Son.
053:1 THE LEADERS OF REBELLION
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53:1.1 Lucifer was not an ascendant being; he was a created Son of the local universe, and of him it was said: ” You were perfect in all your ways from the day you were created till unrighteousness was found in you. ” Many times had he been in counsel with the Most Highs of Edentia. And Lucifer reigned ” upon the holy mountain of God, ” the administrative mount of Jerusem, for he was the chief executive of a great system of 607 inhabited worlds.
53:1.2 Lucifer was a magnificent being, a brilliant personality; he stood next to the Most High Fathers of the constellations in the direct line of universe authority. Notwithstanding Lucifer’s transgression, subordinate intelligences refrained from showing him disrespect and disdain prior to Michael’s bestowal on Urantia. Even the archangel of Michael, at the time of Moses’ resurrection, ” did not bring against him an accusing judgment but simply said, `the Judge rebuke you.’ ” Judgment in such matters belongs to the Ancients of Days, the rulers of the superuniverse.
53:1.3 Lucifer is now the fallen and deposed Sovereign of Satania. Self-contemplation is most disastrous, even to the exalted personalities of the celestial world. Of Lucifer it was said: ” Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty; you corrupted your wisdom because of your brightness. ” Your olden prophet saw his sad estate when he wrote: ” How are you fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How are you cast down, you who dared to confuse the worlds! “
53:1.4 Very little was heard of Lucifer on Urantia owing to the fact that he assigned his first lieutenant, Satan, to advocate his cause on your planet. Satan was a member of the same primary group of Lanonandeks but had never functioned as a System Sovereign; he entered fully into the Lucifer insurrection. The ” devil ” is none other than Caligastia, the deposed Planetary Prince of Urantia and a Son of the secondary order of Lanonandeks. At the time Michael was on Urantia in the flesh, Lucifer, Satan, and Caligastia were leagued together to effect the miscarriage of his bestowal mission. But they signally failed.
53:1.5 Abaddon was the chief of the staff of Caligastia. He followed his master into rebellion and has ever since acted as chief executive of the Urantia rebels. Beelzebub was the leader of the disloyal midway creatures who allied themselves with the forces of the traitorous Caligastia.
53:1.6 The dragon eventually became the symbolic representation of all these evil personages. Upon the triumph of Michael, ” Gabriel came down from Salvington and bound the dragon (all the rebel leaders) for an age. ” Of the Jerusem seraphic rebels it is written: ” And the angels who kept not their first estate but left their own habitation, he has reserved in sure chains of darkness to the judgment of the great day. “
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053:2 THE CAUSES OF REBELLION
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53:2.1 Lucifer and his first assistant, Satan, had reigned on Jerusem for more than five hundred thousand years when in their hearts they began to array themselves against the Universal Father and his then vicegerent Son, Michael.
53:2.2 There were no peculiar or special conditions in the system of Satania which suggested or favored rebellion. It is our belief that the idea took origin and form in Lucifer’s mind, and that he might have instigated such a rebellion no matter where he might have been stationed. Lucifer first announced his plans to Satan, but it required several months to corrupt the mind of his able and brilliant associate. However, when once converted to the rebel theories, he became a bold and earnest advocate of ” self-assertion and liberty. “
53:2.3 No one ever suggested rebellion to Lucifer. The idea of self-assertion in opposition to the will of Michael and to the plans of the Universal Father, as they are represented in Michael, had its origin in his own mind. His relations with the Creator Son had been intimate and always cordial. At no time prior to the exaltation of his own mind did Lucifer openly express dissatisfaction about the universe administration. Notwithstanding his silence, for more than one hundred years of standard time the Union of Days on Salvington had been reflectivating to Uversa that all was not at peace in Lucifer’s mind. This information was also communicated to the Creator Son and the Constellation Fathers of Norlatiadek.
53:2.4 Throughout this period Lucifer became increasingly critical of the entire plan of universe administration but always professed wholehearted loyalty to the Supreme Rulers. His first outspoken disloyalty was manifested on the occasion of a visit of Gabriel to Jerusem just a few days before the open proclamation of the Lucifer Declaration of Liberty. Gabriel was so profoundly impressed with the certainty of the impending outbreak that he went direct to Edentia to confer with the Constellation Fathers regarding the measures to be employed in case of open rebellion.
53:2.5 It is very difficult to point out the exact cause or causes which finally culminated in the Lucifer rebellion. We are certain of only one thing, and that is: Whatever these first beginnings were, they had their origin in Lucifer’s mind. There must have been a pride of self that nourished itself to the point of self-deception, so that Lucifer for a time really persuaded himself that his contemplation of rebellion was actually for the good of the system, if not of the universe. By the time his plans had developed to the point of disillusionment, no doubt he had gone too far for his original and mischief-making pride to permit him to stop. At some point in this experience he became insincere, and evil evolved into deliberate and willful sin. That this happened is proved by the subsequent conduct of this brilliant executive. He was long offered opportunity for repentance, but only some of his subordinates ever accepted the proffered mercy. The Faithful of Days of Edentia, on the request of the Constellation Fathers, in person presented the plan of Michael for the saving of these flagrant rebels, but always was the mercy of the Creator Son rejected and rejected with increasing contempt and disdain.
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053:3 THE LUCIFER MANIFESTO
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53:3.1 Whatever the early origins of trouble in the hearts of Lucifer and Satan, the final outbreak took form as the Lucifer Declaration of Liberty. The cause of the rebels was stated under three heads:
53:3.2 1. The reality of the Universal Father. Lucifer charged that the Universal Father did not really exist, that physical gravity and space-energy were inherent in the universe, and that the Father was a myth invented by the Paradise Sons to enable them to maintain the rule of the universes in the Father’s name. He denied that personality was a gift of the Universal Father. He even intimated that the finaliters were in collusion with the Paradise Sons to foist fraud upon all creation since they never brought back a very clear-cut idea of the Father’s actual personality as it is discernible on Paradise. He traded on reverence as ignorance. The charge was sweeping, terrible, and blasphemous. It was this veiled attack upon the finaliters that no doubt influenced the ascendant citizens then on Jerusem to stand firm and remain steadfast in resistance to all the rebel’s proposals.
53:3.3 2. The universe government of the Creator Son—Michael. Lucifer contended that the local systems should be autonomous. He protested against the right of Michael, the Creator Son, to assume sovereignty of Nebadon in the name of a hypothetical Paradise Father and require all personalities to acknowledge allegiance to this unseen Father. He asserted that the whole plan of worship was a clever scheme to aggrandize the Paradise Sons. He was willing to acknowledge Michael as his Creator-father but not as his God and rightful ruler.
53:3.4 Most bitterly did he attack the right of the Ancients of Days—” foreign potentates “—to interfere in the affairs of the local systems and universes. These rulers he denounced as tyrants and usurpers. He exhorted his followers to believe that none of these rulers could do aught to interfere with the operation of complete home rule if men and angels only had the courage to assert themselves and boldly claim their rights.
53:3.5 He contended that the executioners of the Ancients of Days could be debarred from functioning in the local systems if the native beings would only assert their independence. He maintained that immortality was inherent in the system personalities, that resurrection was natural and automatic, and that all beings would live eternally except for the arbitrary and unjust acts of the executioners of the Ancients of Days.
53:3.6 3. The attack upon the universal plan of ascendant mortal training. Lucifer maintained that far too much time and energy were expended upon the scheme of so thoroughly training ascending mortals in the principles of universe administration, principles which he alleged were unethical and unsound. He protested against the agelong program for preparing the mortals of space for some unknown destiny and pointed to the presence of the finaliter corps on Jerusem as proof that these mortals had spent ages of preparation for some destiny of pure fiction. With derision he pointed out that the finaliters had encountered a destiny no more glorious than to be returned to humble spheres similar to those of their origin. He intimated that they had been debauched by overmuch discipline and prolonged training, and that they were in reality traitors to their mortal fellows since they were now co-operating with the scheme of enslaving all creation to the fictions of a mythical eternal destiny for ascending mortals. He advocated that ascenders should enjoy the liberty of individual self-determination. He challenged and condemned the entire plan of mortal ascension as sponsored by the Paradise Sons of God and supported by the Infinite Spirit.
53:3.7 And it was with such a Declaration of Liberty that Lucifer launched his orgy of darkness and death.

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…there is more very interesting reading that follows this about the effects of the rebellion …particularly on Urantia ( Earth )…but I am trying not to post too lengthy a script…

…my feelings are that Lucifer gives himself much more credit that he deserves…

[Neiru2012]

Okay, I really shouldn’t be replying to this but…

First of all, here’s a LINK to the text version of this story for those with slower connections.

Second of all, out of all the replies on that page, I can’t believe I’m the most in agreement with the Bible-thumper: “This story is definetley not in the Bible. I dont like how you took the real story and twisted it.” For different reasons, but still.

I can appreciate the intention of this parable. Since the Christian mythos is dominant in the West, the author figures this is the best way to relay information about polarity to the people’s psyche. But I still can’t ignore that this goes against the spirit of the original myth as interpreted by Christians, by Satanists, and by Pagans. From the Pagan perspective, I guess my first disagreement is that the Judeo-Christian God is presented as the undiluted Source, and not simply one of many gods (beings who worked their way towards that status through evolution, like everybody else). The Genesis myth was, after all, designed to discredit pagan religions (since when are apples, snakes, and knowledge evil?). So, Lucifer can be seen as either a rival god. Or, if we’re working exclusively within the Judeo-Christian pantheon, “God” can be paralleled with Zeus and “Lucifer” with Prometheus. Lucifer has a lot in common with Prometheus. Both are associated with light (Lucifer as light-bearer, Prometheus as fire-bringer), and both can be said to truly love humanity, with a genuine desire to see them progress as empowered beings.

Lucifer was the first being in the Judeo-Christian universe to display critical thought, question reality, and challenge “God”s authority. Yes, the Christians say that he was jealous of God loving humans more than him, blah blah blah, but what did he actually do? Just as Prometheus brought the fire of the gods to humanity, Lucifer brought God’s knowledge (of good and evil) to humanity. It is thanks to Lucifer that humanity has the free will to question, to learn, to make educated decisions, to be as gods themselves. He is the liberator from blind faith/obedience. And, just like Prometheus, the Judeo-Christian myth says that God/Zeus punished Lucifer for it with eternal torture. I guess I don’t buy that part of the myth, at least not in Lucifer’s case. I really don’t see why he would be suffering from what he’s done. I think he’s quite happy with himself and doesn’t spend his free time torturing the “wicked.” If his will is to turn people against the Judeo-Christian God, it is not to spite them, but to enlighten them. After all, if we’re talking about an “orgy of darkness* and death,” that’s “God”s specialty, not Lucifer/Satan’s. Going by the Bible, God has killed at least 2,391,421 people while Satan killed 10.

So yeah, I certainly don’t think Lucifer thinks of himself as submissive to “God” or as a self-sacrificing martyr for the sake of the polarity experiment. He is playing out his own will and his own agenda as much as “God” is, and as much as any number of other gods and goddesses are. And as much as I am, or you are, or a tree is. And of course I also disagree with the singling out of Earth and humans as special, and with the constant references to hierarchy, but oh well.

*I do not condone this use of the word “darkness” 😛

[opalescent]

Lucifer was the first being in the Judeo-Christian universe to display critical thought, question reality, and challenge “God”s authority.

Just wanted to clarify, there is a difference between God considered as Source, which can be recognized across various interpretations of reality, and God considered as Yahweh, which seems more of a personality.

Carry on, all 😀

[Annan]

This was a good post Opal. I have read the specifics in the Urantia Papers in regard of the Lucifer Rebellion, and this story you are posting is resonating very well with me. I am not afraid of Lucifers doing nor am I afraid of the doings of any other resident in our unverse of universes. HEre we are tapping, finnally must i say, into the essence of what has been discussed som many times on this board. The fear of the darkside, the anger for exteriors making ones life difficult, and so on.

In my POV(er) In this game…..outlined here as polaritites of Lucifer and Michael…..there is no one to be worshipped, nor Michael “in the Light end” nor Lucifer “in the dark end”. Their is neither one of them to be hated, for if one can not stand the toll of exterior pressure, then it is simply a lack of interior strenght and ability – that is the cause.There is only the center, where father/god/one choose whatever fits you or add another name – that is to be worshipped.

Much love
Annan the Nordic

[opalescent]

@Annan wrote:

…it is simply a lack of interior strenght and ability…

I would say, it is simply a forgetting of the connection with–or even, say, a forgetting of the truth that we are made of that which is the core of unlimited strength and ability… or something like that.

The worshiper bows in recognition of that truth, and as the head touches the floor, it becomes an act of the mind bowing to the heart.

Blessings to all, peace to all!

[MushiMushi]

Hmmm… all this talk of the Devil makes me wonder if any of you have read this book http://www.lulu.com/content/3828069

Its quiet short and worth a read… 😉

Anyone who enjoyed Zeitgiest would like this book…

Peace Mush

[Will]

…I’ll put it on my to read list…

…117 pages…yes a short read…

…from the dscription though, it sounds like it is slanted…I’m okay with that…I can exercise discernment…

…but I smell a little fundamental Christianity…

…but like I said, I’m open to all views…

…thank you brother Mushi…blessings of the Season upon you…

[Zingdad]

I am a bit flabbergasted. I have been engaged in a WHOLE LOT of inner-work this past while. It has taken me on many paths. I won’t bore you with the details but I did a whole raft of channeled discussions to come to grips with why this reality is the way it is, what my place in it is, and ultimately, why I chose to come here at all. At one point I was lead to the need to understand “evil” as it is presented to us: the bit of duality which is the “baddie” bit (so I don’t call it “darkness” for Neiru 😉 ) Anyway, I came to understand that I needed to talk to Lucifer himself. A bit of a daunting prospect, I thought. Until I actually got into the conversation. Nothing scary at all. And after hours of some of the most intense channelled conversation I have yet had I came out with a story much like the one presented here (with some small variations). Now, I’m not one to go around saying “don’t worry folks, Lucifer is actually okay”. You can get some funny looks that way 😆 . I really didn’t feel compelled to share this story with anyone. But now to see it presented here – and to see that there are other sources that hold some variation of this concept is just amazing to me.

The thing is this: There is a level of reality at which All know their intrinsic ONENESS. As you begin to move towards Source and away from duality so this becomes more and more obvious. And then it becomes harder and harder to advance and grow if you refuse to recognise this fact. And, you see, there was a time when Lucifer was One with Source. As we all were. And then, for whatever reason, Lucifer “fell” into the density of duality. But, you see, “time” is a function of this reality. It is something we travel through in order to obtain the experience we have come here for. It allows us the illusion of the separation of the creative act from the manifestation of our creations. It is essential to the experience of coming to believe that you do not create your reality… and that you are separate from Source. But the Space/time continuum is really just a very local phenomenon. It is in no way representative of the greater experience “out there”. So this logically leads to the understanding that “outside of time” Lucifer is still, has always been, and will always be, in a state of oneness with God. Now one can choose a perspective: You can decide that Lucifer is the cosmic baddy, that he fell due to vanity or something. Or you can take the perspective that he did it as a service. Once you get over the very human desire to insist that there must be only one perspective and one truth then you can probably see that both of these are true. IF Lucifer fell as a service… to provide a Service To Self, selfish, unloving counter-balance to what would otherwise be our natural state… then you can concede that it would be unhelpful if it was known that this was the case. I mean, if you understand the “baddies” are just another you making different choices… if you get that it is actually a service to you so that you have something to strive against and occasionally to choose to experience for yourself… well, then it wouldn’t make for a very compelling game, would it? If we all saw through the illusions and knew it was just a big game we wouldn’t be willing to play as seriously as we apparently wanted to. You can’t go round hating the baddies if you know they are taking a massive toll to play that role! So that’s one possible perspective. Here is another: Lucifer played hide-and-seek with himself so that he made some dastardly choices and ended up being wicked and twisted and wanted to steal this whole reality to serve his ego. It’s a pretty neat trick to do something that stupid coming from a position of perfect knowing of the Oneness of All but, hey! maybe he isn’t so very bright after all? And then, afetr falling into duality/density he began scheming and manipulating and just generally bad-assing around so that this world of ours had some rotten spots. In which case he anyway ends up providing a service, whether he likes it or not, becasue without his generally dastardly behaviour we wouldn’t be offered the options that exist here. So now you can come and define yourself in opposition to so-called evil. You can be noble and good and righteous and you can overcome, precisely becasue there is the Luciferan influence. Or you can choose to dabble in it for a bit too. You can, for a lifetime or six play around with manipulating and abusing others. Because “they hurt your first”. Or something. But here’s the thing: We still have the problem of time being a local, illusory construct. One that comes to an end every now and again so that different games with different rules can be set up. So what happens then to Lucifer? Well, you see there is only ONE ultimate Source. That means there is only one place to come from. And you can head away from it as far as you like and for as long as you like but given the nature of infinity and given that time is an illusion, it is an inevitability that you will have to return to Source eventually. There is nowhere else to “end up”. You see, no one and nothing can sustain itself without Source. And it is also so that you can only advance so far before you have to accept the oneness of all. You are profoundly limited in the scope of what you can create and express if you deny this truth. So, I am saying there is no way around it but that Lucifer must return to source. And again, outside of time, he is just returning to Self. He always was and always will be One with Source.

So both stories are true depending on your perspective. He did a service and allowed us to experience duality. And he is the arch-villain that caused all kinds of ickiness. From within this system of this reality he DID cause a whole lot of pain for others. And here is what I came to understand from him: In order for the aspect of Lucifer that “fell” into duality to return to Oneness, It has to to a whole lot of healing. It has to balance all of that pain out. You see, returning to Oneness implies the understanding that other beings are just another aspect of Self. Whatever imbalance, pain and animosity lies between you and another comes to be seen as a pain you have with yourself. Its like a inner-turmoil that must be healed as it keeps you from the balance and peace required to re-unite with Source.

So anyway. Lucifer has some serious work ahead. His whole soul-group does. But he will have help. Interestingly, he will get the help he needs from beings that “suffered” his machinations: ascended beings who lived inside the duality system will be the ones to bring the service of assisting him to balance and heal. Compassion and understanding will make it so. And then Lucifer will reunify with his greater beingness and all of him will again know his Oneness with Source.

Final thought. It is my truth that I have done some really god-awful things in some of my incarnations. If that made me irredeemable then there would be no point in trying to be a good person afterwards. All the processes that came after those acts would have been a waste. Then I would have just stayed an evil bastard. But it isn’t like that. Those were experiences and choices that I made as I was experiencing “not-self” so that I could turn around and begin the journey to self. If that is so… if on my small, individual basis I could have come from Source, fallen into density and am now ascending to return to Source… then why must it be any different for this great soul-collective spirit being? The only difference between him and me is the scale of his operation. And I very firmly do contend that it is also so for every single person alive. If you don’t know about the harm you have done in past lives it is not because it isn’t there – it’s just becasue you have not yet had opportunity to learn of it.

It behoves us to forgive as we would be forgiven…

[UFOBelieve]

Oh my God Zingdad, that was absolutely mind-boggling.
To tell you guys the truth, of course I have seen this topic before and read a bit of it, but I was hesitatant to dive deep into it because I just learned there is no actual ‘devil’ as Catholics say and no ‘hell’ as some religions say but rather only beings or .. souls, or soul groups (w/e) that are seperated from the source and truth of what they are, and they are so because they chose to be so in order to experience seperateness to find ‘home’ again afterwards, or simply to be of service in some way.
I didn’t want to get that new perspective of mine all mixed up and so I wanted it to rest a little before I confronted it with new thoughts about the topic.

But all I read in here, especially your post Zingdad, absolutely confirmes this view of mine, and I really must say I am very happy about it. It’s only two or three weeks before I found this out (a little tragic actually that it was so late.. I always kinda ‘felt’ it but I couldn’t know for sure..) and already, a lot of thoughts of mine followed this conclusion and I was able to build a whole new thought-system around it. I guess I was just afraid that something of this would turn out to be wrong, which would have altered my absolutely positive world view that I have right now (world = planet but also universe, all-that-is).
So to make it short.. I am just very happy that I find all of this confirmed in someone’s words who I consider highly credible. Thank you a lot. *hugs*

[Seeker]

I sure love the way you put things Zingdad. This is consistent with the Ruling Bloodlines message from ATS which seemed to gel with me. Can you please explain how you can select a specific person or entity to channel with and how you can ascertain who they are?

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