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Immortal Technique: Poverty of Philosophy
[youtube:2l4jdaap]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7Vl0peys90[/youtube:2l4jdaap]echoMemberScientists are a step closer to being able to wipe the mind clean of painful memories, a deveolpment that will offer hope to those with a fear of spiders or who are trying to bury traumatic experiences.
now that is scary… if a scientist was running around in the dark trying to remove my memories i would freak 😯
echoMemberIt’s like light and dark. hate is the absence of love. and when love is shown on something a “shadow” of hate is cast. hate derives from a seed of misunderstanding, because if we all felt, understood, the exact same thing we couldn’t disagree or hate. If we did, take things out of context, then we would be hating ourselves. and that is what hate basically is… a mixture of confusing emotions forced through a small focal point and reflected into your thoughts. It’s like dropping a stone into a still pond. All that emotion now ripples through your mind, confusing you 😕 , infuriating you 👿 , causing you stress. you don’t like that and hate is born. It causes you pain and you alone, so sometimes people instinctively spread in a spiteful way. hate is a cancerous invention of the mind, not an actual emotion, a furious whirlwind of discontent and confusion that consumes your attention like wildfire. All this does is distracts you from the source of “light” and love.
@Bigfeet E wrote:
Hate is an misguided form of love
@Neiru2012 wrote:
I’m just trying to understand the essense of hate
The essence of hate is a malignant thought of lovelessness. sadness on steroids? 🙄
echoMemberI’m not entirely afraid of the dark, just what is hiding in it. Like Zombies and perverts in the bushes 😯 . But if it was candy and bunny rabbits, it would be a different story…
echoMemberI don’t know why, but lately I’ve been feeling down. It’s cold, windy, and raining outside, so I’m indoors looking through my music and I came across this song in my library… Ben Harper’s Cover of The Drugs Don’t Work. It felt like it matched the mood and I wanted to share.
[youtube:s7rd1enp]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4mgStTuRP4[/youtube:s7rd1enp]Hmmm.. This is a more widely known song by Ben Harper. Live at Bannaroo 😆
[youtube:s7rd1enp]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryLqfNwSSFE[/youtube:s7rd1enp]This is completely random, I’m just looking for favorites. I heard a lot of different music when I was growing up, but for some reason I remember Cat Stevens and Van Morrison. Old stuff, but really good.
[youtube:s7rd1enp]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHXpnZi9Hzs[/youtube:s7rd1enp]I was torn between these two songs…. so I’m going to share them both. 😀
[youtube:s7rd1enp]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sjSHazjrWg[/youtube:s7rd1enp]I was going to post Van Morrison’s Moondance, but I couldn’t find an original version on youtube 😕 🙄 But he has some really good stuff that’s worth checking out. Caravan, Come Running, Crazy Love, just to name a few.
echoMemberit’s a common thing to have on a forum. The more you post, depending on how many posts you already have, your title, and the amount of stars will change. since you’re a moderator your stars are all filled, mine on the other hand aren’t. I don’t have enough comments across the board yet
echoMemberThanks for the info. I actually didn’t know that Ravi Shankar taught George Harrison how to play the sitar 😀 It’s got to be the same guy though. I have three ragas he performed that are about 20 minutes each, they are really nice for meditation. Since we are on the subject I thought I’d share my favorite Beatles songs.
[youtube:2telbhrt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbPj3d90qME[/youtube:2telbhrt]
[youtube:2telbhrt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPZytRr6x5Y[/youtube:2telbhrt]
[youtube:2telbhrt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwD981I4niI[/youtube:2telbhrt]
[youtube:2telbhrt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXiOwqMEUC0[/youtube:2telbhrt]
[youtube:2telbhrt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIsou0IRIQU[/youtube:2telbhrt]
😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀
echoMemberwow that sounds incredible! I think that life should revolve more around music and coming together. At least that’s what I want for my life. Ravi Shankar? Concerts? I don’t know much about him, but I have Chants of India and Three Ragas done by him. Some really good authentic Indian music 😀
Yup Slightly Stoopid is by far some chill music 😎
echoMemberI’m sorry I didn’t mean to commandeer your thread 😛
I like how you said
@Neiru2012 wrote:The Dark is that uncertainty. It is the original Void self which links us to absolute chaos. It is the unknown state of Schrodinger’s cat in the box before the lid is lifted. So what does Light do? It makes things known. It shines into the box and collapses one of infinite probability waves which then manifests into our world of form.
That really captured my attention. I think that’s why a lot of people like to believe that light brings joy or it represents truth (or something along those lines). But it’s easy to fall in alignment with this idea. That light will give you physical conformation of your reality and that’s comforting, unless, of course, the cat inside the box is poisoned 😥
@Neiru2012 wrote:
I created this thread because I wanted to clear up some of the misunderstandings the Light-aligned have about Darkness. I very often see people slander the Dark or use it as a blanket term for anything they don’t like.
I agree. The idea that darkness represents evil is a fallacy. It has become a notorious design for the mainstream. Like I was saying people use or understand metaphor because of corresponding intent. The brain can easily make that connection and like Alusa said it can easily become an abstraction (or even an intentional distraction). From there I can see how things can become distorted (and now I see what Alusa meant 😀 ) But then again isn’t it up to the mind to decide what the metaphor means?
@Zingdad wrote:
I think hurtful behaviour has been mislabelled as “darkness”.
That pretty much sums it up.
But it was you who said that darkness is chaos, essentially, or “a realm of absolute chaos and infinite freedom” Some people don’t like chaos or freedom for that matter. Setting aside our own misconceptions, could this be a source of the problem? I’d also have to agree with you in that your view of darkness is not part of my perspective either. I tend to take the literal, somewhat artistic, approach to things. It’s not that I don’t understand the language, it’s just hard for me to agree with something I don’t entirely understand, but don’t take it personally. To me, light literally comes from the sun and electricity and fire. It also represents more in a symbolic way. Darkness to me means absence of light or matter. It also represents more in a symbolic way. This is all my eye can see, so that is all my mind can know.
echoMember😯 So did you get to hear them live!? or was it just something you heard because you were around that area?
echoMemberHmm… I’m surprised you’ve even heard of them well… I guess old fogies can be cool too 😮 😆 haha just kiding 😛
do you have a favorite song?echoMemberTo be honest I didn’t read through this thread in it’s entirety until now. I guess it’s not really fair to give my opinion on a subject when I don’t fully understand the material. I only briefly read what was written since there was so much there. But I went through after I posted and now have a better understanding of the subject. It would be hard for me to even suggest to someone something that I don’t understand. Unlike Neiru2012 or Zingdad or and other sort of channeler I can’t claim to know of anything outside my own reality. But I do feel confident enough to share my beliefs on the light and dark I have experienced.
So forgive me if I’ve led this topic astray, but I still feel that what I’ve said still has some relevance. Some of what i said was similar to what other had mentioned. Sorry it’s not as mythical or mysterious, but I think it’s important to the physical reality that we live in.
echoMember@Alusa wrote:
I am not going to address the rest of what you said because I feel it goes too off topic, except that balance of light and dark helps keep perspective so things don’t get distorted. Again this is about how darkness and how light and dark interact, not duality where its getting away from light and darkness.
Yeah, you’re right. It did become off topic, but to me, it was so related that I felt obligated to write. Plus it was one of those things that once you get started the thoughts keep coming. Maybe I didn’t clarify what I meant, but I feel that darkness and light are directly related and as a result I went on a tangent. Maybe I should take my post and put it in a thread labeled “echo’s think tank”. To be honest the topic title itself inspired me to write how I felt. I wanted to clarify for others and for myself how similar, not so much different, darkness and light are.
@Alusa wrote:
Everyone can relate to it but metaphors with perspective is so subjective you can get so abstract everyone thinks your talking about something different. Were trying to clarify what darkness is in a way everyone can understand.
That is the beauty of metaphor. It’s purely subjective. Every mind thinks in different ways, so a metaphor is merely a tool to help you grab on to that abstraction and draw you in to the meaning. I intentionally use metaphor because my definition is so broad/general. My goal is to use a like sense to trigger a feeling that an individual mind can perceive. The mind is an abstract thing.
@Alusa wrote:
This is about real life not television, where people tend to overemphasize, distort and romanticize things.
That is exactly what I’m trying to say, you just said it better than I could. I merely wanted you to think about it. Why do they use Black vs. White to represent Good vs. Evil? They juxtapose each other. Whether or not movies, television, or books affect the real life, the rooted imagery and archetypes do have an impact whether it be subconscious or not. All I intended was to show you how “darkness” was expressed through film and or through other sources of media.
@Alusa wrote:
Again this is about how light and dark interact, not duality, where its getting away from light and darkness
Light and dark are a duality, at least in my perspective. You can’t have one if you don’t have the other. You wouldn’t know what light was if there was only darkness. If there was never any light how would you know anything about darkness? If it was all the same, couldn’t it be called stillness, or nothingness. Yet there is an understanding of an opposite to darkness which is… brightness? There is an opposite to stillness.. things that move (light moves on a frequency). I could go on. It’s all a metaphor, or an abstraction, of what we see as duality in a very basic way: light vs. dark.
But I see what you’re saying. Comparing to Neiru2012 my understanding of darkness or the void being a physical/existent place is beyond my comprehension. I was sharing my opinion on the topic of darkness and it’s counterpoint in a way that I know is accurate. To me I feel that darkness and brightness is something of importance to the life I live.. now.. here.. and at this time. I don’t know about most of you, but I still feel pretty solid and each second ticks as long as the last one. So I apologize for being off topic
echoMemberUhh.. I’m not sure if anyone really listens to the music I post, but whatever. I’ll keep posting anyway. 😀
First one today is Slightly Stoopid, Strait from Cali. Their sound is great! This has got to be one of my all time favorite songs. After the picture stops there’s like a minute of nothing, just so you know
[youtube:1rw29u07]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFGmnJQ_BF0[/youtube:1rw29u07]Here’s another good one from Slightly Stupid, with unrelated video attached.
[youtube:1rw29u07]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgKmIr3ufok[/youtube:1rw29u07]I’m not sure if any of you like ska. I’m not a big fan but I like this band: Streetlight Manifesto
[youtube:1rw29u07]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOFkcj4iDvM[/youtube:1rw29u07]Here’s a good one. The Postal Service: Such Great Heights. Cool video too.
[youtube:1rw29u07]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMOkfI7wCrI[/youtube:1rw29u07]I think when a band sounds good if not better live then they deserve props. O.A.R. is just such great a band.
[youtube:1rw29u07]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH3t5ScK2Oc[/youtube:1rw29u07]Please tell me if you like the stuff I share, I would appreciate knowing you do.
echoMemberI’m still afraid of the dark 😯 I still keep a nightlight in my room 😀 hahaha just kidding!
It’s funny how we often use the term light vs. dark. I’m not sure if it really has much significance to how we feel. I could be wrong, but it’s hard to imagine two infinite forces trying to spread either freedom or control across space and time. I feel it symbolizes more our desire to create conflict or a common enemy. This is something we’ve done in the past. People tend to unite when they are faced with a common enemy. So in our case what are we fighting/uniting against/for?
light vs. dark
good vs. evil
black vs. white
wrong vs. rightIt doesn’t matter what you say. The two sides merely have to contrast each other. You could say red vs. green if you wanted to… But in this case darkness is or seems like a much more appropriate term. I think it’s fair to say that people can associate with light vs. dark because it stands for more than its literal differences. It’s a metaphor and people can also associate better with metaphor because of all the parallel meanings you can come up with. So essentially, everyone can relate to it, no matter how differently we think. If you watch old western movies you’ll notice how the hero either rides a white horse or wears a white hat, and the villain just the opposite, rides a dark horse and wears a black hat. But here’s a contradiction: I’m sure you’ve seen the Matrix. This time around the “good side” is clad in black while the agents are clean cut wearing suits and ties. Different, but the motif basically remains the same.
We should all acknowledge (or at least keep in mind) that white doesn’t necessarily represent good and black=evil, that is just a fallacy. That’s just something we’ve grown accustom to, something we’ve picked up on, from what we’ve been taught, or even led to believe. You could say that this sort of thinking is tied to racism or religion or politics. Pretty much anywhere you look the pattern is there. Pay attention to the stories or movies you read or see or hear. The light versus dark theme is a good technique to draw in listeners and excite them. And when good triumphs over evil, it makes for an excellent happy ending.
But it’s silly (to me) to pick sides or say that one way is the right way and believe at the same time we are all “one”. That’s like saying you can believe any religion you want, any myth you want, but Judaism is still right right belief system… Or you can play with anyone you want on the playground, but that doesn’t mean you are one of the cool kids. 😀 And when you chose a side you neglect to understand the opposing “force”. So basically, you could be the exact same caught in a conflict with no end. It’s like opening a window but refusing to go outside.
And with that being said, I give you another metaphor in the disguise of picture. One of my all time favorite symbols 😀
I guess my question would be: Is this just part of our reality? Is this something we create to maintain some kind of balance? We like to claim that we are all one, we are all connected, but in reality we are not. In our minds we are. I don’t think that it would be normal to hold onto two different personalities inside yourself. So our bodies are separated so that our minds can comprehend the differences in our reality. There are a lot of dualities:
Our awake state vs. our sleeping state
Life vs. death
light vs. dark
And more importantly Man vs. Woman. How can something so similar be so different? I mean physically we are the same, but (obviously) different. We think and feel the same, but (because of said differences) at the same time we don’t. How could we know and feel the same if we don’t experience it for ourselves? The answer is we don’t. We assume we know or refuse to understand so there is a lack of understanding. Kind of like the white dot in the black section of the ying-yang (metaphor for everyone!!!) and vice versa. It’s like we create this divide between sides and by pushing on one end the other side moves in accordance. Therefor all we are doing is creating a whirlwind of confusion when all we need to know is there always has been balance because of this duality. It’s always been there for us to witness, but you can never change it. It only fluctuates like a frequency wave.So I say do not choose a side, or choose both sides, or stay right in the middle. Be the dividing line and bend like the frequency. If you say you are understanding, then you should know that things aren’t always right vs. wrong (don’t get me wrong, there are definite wrong things and definite right things)…
Think of those to lie on either side of the spectrum and things become hazy/controversial when they meet in the center (when they are essentially the same, the only difference is difference in opinion). So I guess you can stay in your own respective circle if you like, just be understanding like I know you want to be and come to terms with other ideas and other sides of the same argument, because when you come together the picture becomes bigger and more beautiful.
I could go on to talk about how each person is a shape and how we intersect our consciousness, instead of becoming one, forms more of a web, etc. etc. But when you say the you are from darkness or you are the follower of light it sounds to me like you are thinking in a 2-dimensional state of mind. (I hate to sound like I’m preaching to the choir or even offending anyone, but) Break away from our pointless dualities and embrace all the wavelengths of color. In reality White is the absence of color and black is every color, just two ends of the same spectrum if you ask me. Make yourself (I’m speaking metaphorically) a prism so that when “light” does shine through you, you refract all the colors… There are 8 colors in the rainbow, at the center is yellow and green. When you mix them together it’s basically the most frequent color in nature (for living things anyway). So.. I guess what I’m saying is find your center, find your balance. My little message of love.
Sorry, but I just thought of this so I’m going to keep ranting 😀 When I think of people “living in darkness” I think: Depression, fear, or hate. I also see: pursuit of knowledge/truth, blind faith, and hope. When I think of people “living in light” I think: Joy, love, bliss. I also see: blind faith, pursuit of knowledge/truth, and hope. This may just be what I feel, but to me it’s like to sides of the same coin. Anyway, that’s my take on light and darkness…
Another thing, take into consideration the patterns of circles and apply that to crop circles. It’s like a beautiful display of conscious thought. If that’s not a sign, then what is?
~echo
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