[Neiru2012]

Bwahaha!! Yeah, I love that video!!

[Neiru2012]

@Zingdad wrote:

Not in vein then.

Actually I’m pretty sure it was in vein. The damn thing didn’t stop bleeding for 7 hours and it still leaves marks on my band aids over a week later. XD

But my foot is a lot better. The power of Obama has healed me!! 😆

I don’t know what the Obama Presidency will bring, I don’t know how many of his promises he’ll be able to keep, but he has already kept one… He has promised us Hope, and he delivered beyond expectation. Hope for the USA, hope for the world.

[Neiru2012]

Well, what can I say? I’ve worked hard for this. Many, many, many people did. I’ve seen unknown candidates climb ahead of household names because everyday people were passionate enough to reach voters at home, make phone calls, attend protests and rallies believing things have to change. Yes we can, and yes we did! I can speak for New Mexico and say we’ve knocked on over 160,000 doors and personally talk to thousands of voters to promote Obama and our Congressional candidates. Thanks to these grassroot efforts New Mexico, which voted for Bush in 2004, went solid blue. Every single national candidate we put into office this year was Democratic (all 5 of them). In Albuquerque, we elected the first Democratic candidate in all 40 years of its existence. This was a huge surprise to me, since when I started canvassing nobody I talked to ever heard of Martin Heinrich and everybody loved Republican Darren White. It’s amazing to see how much of an impact ordinary citizens have on this country. This election truly proves that democracy in the United States is not dead.

I was at the Albuquerque Convention Center on election night, where the Democratic party was held. There were so many people that the fire department couldn’t let any more in. This was still dwarfed by the 45,000 who showed up to the Obama rally on Oct. 25th. The line to get into that thing was astronomical. I had to bring up Google maps to show my friends how long it was! Anyway… at Convention Center… when the Presidency was announced.. it was probably the loudest cheering I have ever heard. Many of my coworkers were there, and one of them (a Southern Baptist) broke out into blissful hysterics repeating “praise Jesus!” and other prayers for at least a half hour straight. She’s 72 years old, barely a generation after slavery, so I can only imagine what this must mean to her. I wanted to come hug her but she was swiftly swarmed by camera crews. I waited till they were gone and then came up, but we were swarmed again. XD

So here’s some news photos of us. I’m all the way on the left in blue jacket:

And then hugging on the bottom.

I need to find more pictures of me/us there, but all the newspapers are sold out. 😛

She was crying, I was crying. And just being in that room, swallowed by her aura and the ecstatic energy of the crowd, was probably some of the purest, most unrestrained happiness I have ever felt. ;_;

I also have pictures of me hugging Martin Heinrich (our new Congressman that I helped elect), but they’re on another co-worker’s camera and she hasn’t e-mailed me them yet. But, aside from being a great guy with even better policies, may I just say he’s smoking hot!!

Anyway, I think this is a great video to summarize it all:
[youtube:172d96xh]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nnsgq8FrI2c[/youtube:172d96xh]

[Neiru2012]

Are you talking about physical pain again? I’m talking about non-physical pain. War zones? Yes, different people react differently to war. Some cower in the corner or go into selfish survival mode, others take in refugees or throw themselves on grenades to save their friends. This is exactly what I mean about pain being a test of character. When our limits are tested, some break down and some find their strength. I’ve observed my default reactions to pain and pressure, and I like what I saw. Just recently I was all-out attacked by a huge pitbull-mastif mix, and despite multiple bite wounds, torn pants, bleeding, I didn’t panic. In fact I finished my shift (I go door to door on political campaign). Then I went home, treated the wounds, changed clothes, and went right to a rally. I didn’t blame the dog, I didn’t sue the owner, I didn’t become afraid of dogs, and I still consider pitbulls a very caring, protective breed. I wouldn’t take back that experience. I consider it extremely cool! It gives me a great story to tell and bragging power (I went to rally telling people “yeah, I shed blood for Obama!”). Right now my foot hurts like hell (from walking a lot) but it’s election day in the USA and I’m not about to give up. Gotta drag voters to the polls!! These are examples of physical pain, I guess, but to me these examples also reflect on non-physical pain, since it is non-physical pain that I take away from these experiences. Anyway, off to change my bandaids and then back to the campaign train! Bye!

[Neiru2012]

@jamwolfsky wrote:

if those painful memories are an important part of your constructed identity, can you imagine what you would be without this part, what your I am presence would feel like. To get there you would have to go through a lot of courageous letting go : releasing the constructed identity of the present life time to merge with the I am presence of accumulated soul experiences of eternal life, discover yourself as a multidimensional being and wake up one morning and say: “Is this really me there, or what is this old carcass?”

I guess I’m confused what you’re asking, but I think Zingdad already covered everything I’d want to. Still, I want to make it clear that pain has never, ever hindered me from being “the I am presence” or “a multidimensional being.” Faaar from it. Pain is my beloved ally and the usherer in of my strength! It is through the disarming experience of pain that we understand who we really are. It is pain that tests our limits and shows us the way to empowerment. It is pain that allows us to feel love and compassion. So to suggest that pain somehow blocks our vision or real self is unthinkable to me. As a side note, pain also shows the true face of others. I don’t consider myself to know anyone until I’ve seen how they act under pressure.

[Neiru2012]

I think it would be disastrous to artificially remove painful memories and fears. I mean, those that want it, I wouldn’t be able to stop them… but to me that would be taking away part of who I am and/or my chance to understand myself and grow. It would also make for awfully shallow people (I think overcoming challenges builds depth/strength of character). There was a movie called Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind that dealt with this issue.

And…
@Zingdad wrote:

And as for dark? Well. That which I have come to understand of true darkness I think is pretty damn rocking. Nothing to fear there at all.

I couldn’t agree more! 😀

[Neiru2012]

@Bigfeet E wrote:

Any outside projected hate is due to misunderstanding the big picture, so fighting another thru hate is also fighting yourself, as you gave birth to hatred.
Good martial arts also teaches this. Never to trow a punch out of hate.

So what is hate good for ???
To me, absolutely nothing, for only as a survivalmechanism of the misinformed -out of balance- ego.

It’s hard to play devil’s advocate in defending hate, I won’t lie. It is not a subject that I think too much about. To me it is just another emotion, in no way inherently better or worse than any other emotion. It is sacred as a form of self-expression. I agree that a heart at peace with itself does not seek to drain power from others, and that this is something that some forms of hate amount to… just like some forms of love. But I also believe that if you find yourself reaching a place of neutrality, where you can’t see yourself being passionate about something or able to take sides (agree or disagree with things), then you cease to really participate in the co-creation of the universe. You become an observer in your own reality, or gravitate exclusively to the expression of “positive” emotions. That to me is also a form of imbalance (IF your intentions are to interact in catalyzing ways that keep the world in motion).

I have a saying: “The universe is neutral so that you don’t have to be.” I see balance as being able to express both “positive” or “negative” emotions. To let energy flow freely in an aware and responsible manner. I see balance as dynamic, not static. Sometimes I can hate in ways that drain me, sometimes I can hate in ways that empower or motivate me. In either case, I can still find my way back to a calm, peaceful center. So what if I blow off energy? If it catalyzes a situation, if it “heats me up,” if it makes things more interesting, why not? I don’t mind sacrificing energy or straying from the middle path. The middle path is always there, but extremes can make things fun, too. To always stay on the middle path and not know that you can find your way back to it from extremes does not train strength and discipline… just as courage can’t exist unless you are afraid. I believe that lack of exposure to these things is “dangerous.”

I have heard it said that hate and “negativity” only hurts you. How could this be? The essense of our Self is immortal, it can’t be hurt. I want to be able to walk through (metaphorical) fire and not get burned. Not by denying that this fire exists, but by being immersed in it and coming out whole even if I was at some point burned to ashes. Hate has never hurt me, neither has pain. I welcome them to condition my soul just as a martial artist breaks bricks to condition their body. They are allies that help me see farther and feel more. None of us are above them, and none of us are immune to them, which is why learning how to handle them wisely is a lot more productive than denying their influence. They are part of the spectrum through which the multiverse chose to express itself. There are realities where mortality is so unknown that pain is bliss.
@Bigfeet E wrote:

The depression you expirienced was a swing towards super-ego, wichwere you froze & put the struggle on hold out of lack of energy. Also this is not the point of balance. Any way ego & super-ego tries to over-rule each other their is imbalance and so a fallback in the energyflow as an open channel.

I didn’t feel sad from the Nazi boards out of hatred. I felt sad because part of the reason I lurked was to understand how they think, and the fact that I couldn’t explain their mentality in ways I could sympathize with made me sad. I already had a low opinion of the human species, and they weren’t helping, so I decided to back off. This was conditional expectation, yes, but we can’t exist as individuals without them. I can see things from the perspective of the big picture, but I also see the role that my opinions as an individual perspective play in that big picture. I can think in both views simultaneously.

[Neiru2012]

@Will wrote:

…as you are killing plants to eat them…

…being Fructarian involves eating fruit and nuts…

…products of the plant kindom that does not end the life of the parent plant…

I am not against ending life. Death is inseporable from life. I am against needless suffering.
@opalescent wrote:

Nice work, Neiru… This would be valuable to have on the main site, if you’re interested in posting it there…

Thanks. ^_^ I would like to, but I don’t know how/where.

[Neiru2012]

@Bigfeet E wrote:

Pain is the sensor of the Self reminding the ego it is lacking balanced energy.
The ego is feeling the pain, is living (and creating) the pain.
Physical pain however is the sensor of the body detecting an unbalance within its physical system.

It is interesting that you bring up physical pain. I see physical phenomenon as direcly paralleling non-physical phenomenon, and so it make sense for me to look at the meaning of physical pain to understand non-physical pain. Physical pain does exist to make you pay attention to the body and alert it to danger. Likewise, non-physical pain alerts you to things about yourself that you need to examine. The feeling of pain has always been very disarming and transformative for me, so I prefer to think of it as the agent that brings you into balance and not a symptom of imbalance.

[Neiru2012]

@Bigfeet E wrote:

As i see it you have 2 kinds of love, conditional love and unconditional love.
When you walk the path of conditional love you actually want the love to come from outside of your Self.

I guess to me “conditional love” is like personal/romantic love, and “unconditional love” is an impersonal/generic warmth you feel for all things. I guess I can also see how one can flow from outside and one from inside, but for now I still classify pouring loving energy into a vacuum as an aspect of “unconditional love.” That’s not to say this is the only thing unconditional love does, but it’s one way I think it can be inefficiently expressed. When expressed wisely (or as you say, flowing from the Self), it is a beautiful and endless thing.
@BigfeetE wrote:

If someone breaks your heart, what really transpired their? You were wanting an appropiated response from the other in order to get the feedback of energy. When that didn’t occured you feel ‘hurted’ cuz they didn’t gave some back, and therefor feel a lack of energy-input.

That’s kind of what I’m asking about hate. Love can be misused (or inefficiently expressed) in ways that make it seem petty or hurtful, but that’s not what the true essense of love is. Hate can also be misused, even predominantly misused… but maybe it also has a true essense that is useful and harmonious.
@BigfeetE wrote:

Hatred is a form of unbalance, only waiting to try and find the way back to balance…

Does it always have to be? Although I guess that depends on the definition of “balance.” I don’t know if there is a way to express hatred and be in balance (again, depending on definition), but I do feel that all thing smust have innate value, including hate. I’m just trying to understand the essense of hate in its own right, not in relation to anything else. Can things here even exist here without being defined in relation to other things? That depends… can love have value in its own right, not in relation to anything else? If love can, then my logic tells me so can hate (and any other emotion). If love can’t, then neither can hate.
@BigfeetE wrote:

Many see power and strength as the same, wich is not true in my point of view.
Power is used to stand out, to be ‘more’ as the rest, to govern over others…etc.
Strength is used to express the Self, to help others, to govern the Self…etc.

Hmm, I guess what you call “Power” I call “Power through Others” (whether over others or through a community) and what you call “Strength” I call “Power through Self.” I define “Power” as the active principle, or the actual raw energy emanating from Self that you can use. I define “Strength” as the passive principle, or how much you can endure and/or maintain inner peace despite external (or even internal) turmoil.
@BigfeetE wrote:

The ego is that part of our Self wich is being separated from the consiously connection of our Spirit.
It is only aware of itself. Or you can use the terms of lower-ego and higher-ego.

I guess this and you calling the higher ego the “super ego” reminds me of the “id, ego, and super ego” system proposed by Sigmung Freud. I can see that we can run into some misunderstandings here. “Ego” to me is the seat of individual power and self-expression. It is what makes us distinct from absolute unity and gives us perspective. What you call the “higher ego” and “lower ego” I would probably call degrees of ego balance. The ego, as our sense of self, often perceives itself in relation to others. When it is balanced, it sees itself as equal to other egos (and the “whole”) and doesn’t block us from a conscious connection with spirit or unity. When it is off balance one way (“deflated”), it sees itself as inferior to other egos and thereby can block connection to unity/spirit. When it is off balance the other way (“inflated”), it sees itself as superior to other egos and can also block connection to unity/spirit. Maybe this is the imbalance between the ego and super ego that you speak of. But a healthy, balanced ego is a beautiful thing and seeks power in Self instead of submitting to or trying to dominate others.
@Will wrote:

…I see hate as a sub-catagory of fear…

This brings up the questions: Does hate even exist? Is it its own emotion and not strictly a misdirection of other emotions? Again, I don’t know. But for now I’ll assume it exists.
@Will wrote:

…I approach this subject as an observer as I can truely say that I do not hate anything…there are some things I like more than others…but hate consumes too much energy…energy more useful directed other ways…

I hate things. I can say I hate Sarah Palin, or I hate chocolate, or I hate abuses of religion. I don’t invest all of my energy in these things, nor do it with the type of rabid vehemence found among Nazis or misogynists or people who picket funerals with “God hates fags” signs. But I will look for stuff about the Nazis, or the misogynists, or the religious zealots because I find them entertaining. Granted I did stop lurking on the Nazi and misogynist boards a few years back because they were starting to depress me. :-/ But, in general, I experience “hate” as fun. Just as I enjoy being enthusiastic about things I like, I also enjoy being enthusiastic about things I don’t like. It is fun for me to participate in political protests and what have you.

[Neiru2012]

Oh noes! Not the Yoda trump card!! As a self-proclaimed Jedi, I can never speak against the honorable Master Yoda! 😳

But of course I am not afraid of the Dark, although sometimes I am scared of the Light. 😛

[Neiru2012]

@BigFeetE:

This is probably better left for another thread, but since your definitions are so dependent upon it, I’d have to know this before I can reply to you…
How do you define the ego? And what do you see as its purpose?

[Neiru2012]

@Will wrote:

…but what of the down side of pain ?…

There is a subjective downside to every emotion, even love.
@Will wrote:

…as an empath it REALLY hurts me to see a child abused and in pain….
…where is the gain there ?…from the lesson of what is not good ?…

What you’re describing is an example of what I mean by pain opening the heart, in this case to the child in compassion. I would say that the value is in the experience, and perceptions of what is “gained” (or “lost”) is up to you. In this case pain can be a motivator to do something for the child. Or you can use your experience to show the child how to use their pain, or how to transform it into strength or compassion. One is never too young to learn these skills.

[Neiru2012]

Ahh yes, this is one of my favorite scientific theories! I actually came up with it independently from Hugh Everett (as I’m sure did many sci-fi authors), but since he came up with it first I don’t mind giving him credit for it. 😛

[Neiru2012]

I did want to put in parenthesis that an example of “more esoteric aspects of reality” is “knowing that what you do to others you do to yourself.” That’s kinda what you’re talking about. But I don’t think it’s terribly uncommon to see oneself as “separate from that which is a common source of all things.” Even if some of the less friendly Reptilian factions, for example, know that there is a common source, they can still see themselves as separate and do things to others that those who prefer not to separate themselves wouldn’t do. So one can choose to see oneself as separate even while knowing/accepting underlying unity. I can’t see any way for the separation or individuality perspective to not be available to anyone at any level or layer of reality. Humans have only lost awareness of underlying unity and interconnectedness of all things fairly recently in their evolution. The vast majority of human evolution was invested in pantheism and honoring all their relations, be they trees, water, deer, or other humans.

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