Questions for Zingdad and Friends

[wolfke74]

Hi Zingdad,

Thanks for your uplifting answer. I had to read it more then once to feel/see it for what it is, in my heart. Certainly this part that you wrote:

“And then get on with what your heart says you must still do in this “old” world.

And then it hit me. No more hiding…so I decided to put my own journey online for everybody to read on my blog. But it is still a process in the making because I struggle a bit too how I can write my side of the story. My blog: http://lisasgeomagic.blogspot.com/

I hope you don’t mind that I ask another question, because I am full with questions. This is actually a question for 8:

Since a few weeks/months I am dreaming extraordinary dreams. And that kept me wondering, what are dreams?

I look the definition up online and got this: A series of images, ideas, emotions, and sensations occurring involuntarily in the mind during certain stages of sleep.

So what are dreams? And if they are real, are we really experiences these dream on another level of dimension? And what happens when we dream, because I read somewhere (can’t remember where) that we leave our body and coming back in our body during dreaming/sleeping?

Wish you lots of love, light and laughter.

[wolfke74]

Hi Nico,

It is good to here from you again; it has been a long time since I heard from you through email. I am also keen on meeting my soul family. But I also agree what Zingdad says:

Zingdad wrote:
The fourth is that this will never, ever “prove” itself to you. To play this “game” is to actively choose to play with uncertainty and doubt. Any attempt to force “proof” will result in distortions in your communication and will most likely result in the whole thing being proved false.

Is it that we need prove because we need to satisfy our EGO? 😈
I must amid that sometime I also want prove and I always look upon in the sky to try to spot an UFO.
And then I think: why do I need so badly proof that they are out there?
Maybe this is also a legitimate question to ask.

The only thing that we can be certain of is change.

Wish you lots of love, light and laughter.

[Nekodos]

Hello Wolfke!

First let me congratulate you on your baby girl!!!

How very insightfull what you wrote here:

@wolfke74 wrote:

Is it that we need prove because we need to satisfy our EGO? 😈
I must amid that sometime I also want prove and I always look upon in the sky to try to spot an UFO.
And then I think: why do I need so badly proof that they are out there?
Maybe this is also a legitimate question to ask.

The only thing that we can be certain of is change.

Wish you lots of love, light and laughter.

After reading this, I’m also stuck with this question. Why do I need proof so badly? If Zingdad and co. could look into this question aswell please 😉

P.S: I too sometimes look up into the sky in the hopes of catching a glimpse, because if I’d see one, I could start taking this whole deal seriously!

[Zingdad]

@Nekodos wrote:

Hello Zingdad, everyone!

What a wonderfull initiative!! Too bad nobody’s asking questions anymore… I love reading the questions and answers, so I’d like to encourage anyone that has a question to come and ask it! As for my own question…I’m not quite sure how to put this, but I’ll give it a try.

Hi Nekodos

Great to have you here. As you can see it does take me a long time sometimes to respond. But I do always get there eventually when I can make the time and be in the right frame of mind.

@Nekodos wrote:

Just like Syme, getting in contact with my soul-family is very high on my wish-list. So I was very keen to find out what Zingdad had to offer in response to his questions. And there it was, hitting me in the face like a ten-ton hammer.

@Zingdad wrote:

The fourth is that this will never, ever “prove” itself to you. To play this “game” is to actively choose to play with uncertainty and doubt. Any attempt to force “proof” will result in distortions in your communication and will most likely result in the whole thing being proved false.

For me that means as much as: Game over. You may not insert another coin!

So my question is, if I’m not willing to accept anything as long as I don’t have prove, should I just give up on the idea of ever establishing contact with spirit?

My friend you ask an important question. This issue of “proof” and undeniability ” is a tough one. I struggled with it for a long time and I know of other people that struggle with it also. We want to know for sure, without doubt that the thing is SO or else why would we trust it, right? I feel your concern!

However. The simple truth (from my perspective) is that:
1. “proof” is not what it seems and
2. seeking proof will actually impede your growth

Let me deal with those things one-by-one.
Firstly. Is there anything that you CAN actually prove beyond all doubt and question? Anything at all? I would like to make the perhaps surprising assertion that nothing can actually be proven. Let us take science as a model. Science doesn’t offer us “proof”. Science offers us hypotheses that fit the data available. If we test the hypothesis experimentally and it continues to fit the data under all kinds of different conditions we call it “proven” and accept it as “fact” but, over and over again science shows us that there are always exceptions that come along to upset the apple-cart and force us to re-evaluate those “facts” and come up with a new, improved hypothesis. Then the process starts again.

And where are we now with science? The fundamental building blocks of science… the most essential elements upon which all theories and ideas are built are these things: time, space, matter, energy and light. Pretty much every scientific theory starts with these things and builds on them. And yet we don’t have a clue what any of these things are! Do yourself a favour: see if you can find a working, scientifically valid definition of what “time” is or a description of how it works.

You won’t find one because there isn’t one. No one knows what “time” is. And yet, almost every physics theory or experiment is predicated, at some point, on measuring or defining something in relation to time! So what is the value of the “proof” if it relies on something else that is utterly unknown.

And the same thing is true for “matter”. Everything we can interact with is “matter” but what IS it? Atoms? Yeah, okay but what are atoms? If you just keep asking the question you get to sub-atomic particles that we have some vague descriptions of how they behave but no idea at all of what they ARE. So again… all the “proofs” that are based upon matter are actually irrelevant if we don’t even know what we are talking about.

My point here is that “proof”, if you dig a bit, turns out to always be built on a few layers of things we think we know, and then underneath it all is always something that we don’t know. All “proofs” are like buildings without a foundation.

Simple question:
Can you PROVE to me that you exist?

You can’t.

I have had some pretty vivid dreams in my life. How can I know for sure this is not another dream and that you are not just a figment of my imagination? Or maybe you are not a real person and just a very clever computer programme that I am interacting with. You can’t prove to me – in such a way that I absolutely cannot doubt – that you even exist.

Neither can I prove that I exist to you!

There is a lot more I can say in this direction but I think you will understand where I am going: nothing is ultimately provable. The very idea of “proof” is becoming redundant.

And this is just as well! Because the idea that something should be “provable” is an idea that limits the growth of the one holding that idea.

Why?

Because the simple fact of our reality is that everything changes. Change is the one and only constant. There is not one thing anywhere ever that does not change. And the concept of “proof” is that you must be able to pin something down so that it cannot be anything other than what you say it is. It cannot change. Well this cannot happen.

And more than that. If I can PROVE something to you in such a way that you cannot doubt it then I take away from you your free-will right to see it any other way than what I say. I block you from your inalienable right to be a creator being and to create what you observe as you desire.

But this cannot be done! I cannot make you other than what you are! I cannot stop you from being a creator being. I cannot limit you. The closest I can come to this is to, maybe, convince you or trick you into agreeing with me that what I have is proof and you are not allowed to question it or doubt it. Is that not the game religions have always played? Is that not the game our governments and other “authorities” very often play? They say “this is The Truth” and if you argue or doubt then you are to be punished. So we generally comply and agree that that is The Truth even when our hearts know otherwise.

But the time for this mode of being is now coming to an end. People are awakening. They are discovering that the only truth they need to heed is what is written in their own hearts. Each being knows its own truth – if that being will but trust it. And this is the meaning of the statement I made about embracing uncertainty and doubt. You need to be willing to “play” without the experience “proving” itself to you. Because no independent verifiable external proof will come that you cannot also doubt.

But take heart my friend! What WILL come is something much finer! As you travel this road you will discover in yourself a KNOWING. You will discover that all the proof you ever need is right there inside you. You will KNOW when a thing is right and true for you and you will KNOW when it is not. And that is far better than proof. Because it is yours and no external validation is necessary.

A final thought, Nekodos:
Have you ever really asked yourself the question “who am I?”
Try to answer that question without speaking about things that can and will change. So not your job, not your relationships, not the things you do… none of that stuff. And, if you believe in life-after-death then who are you when are no longer even in a human form? Who are you REALLY.

Its a tough question and it has given philosophers since time began a headache. And the reason is that YOU cannot be defined. Because you are an inseparable part of The One, which is infinite. And the maths of infinity is such that you cannot divide infinity. So this means that you too are infinite. This means that Who You Really Are has no boundaries, no limits and no restrictions. And a definition is actually just a boundary. If you define yourself as something you are at the same time saying you are NOT something else. This is a boundary. But you are not definable.

And, you see, all things are, in the same way, a part of The Oneness. This means all things are, at their core, beyond definition.

Does it not seem then like we need to get ready to live without proofs and definitions?

And if that sounds like a horrible chaotic way to live then I can assure you there IS a way to deal with it that is wonderfully liberating and empowering. It is for you to observe what is true for you in any given moment and accept that that is what it is: something that is true at that moment. And then allow that that will at some point in the future, also change. Allow also that RIGHT NOW that thing is also untrue for someone else.

And THIS is what is true from me. But I accept completely that it might not be so for you. 🙂

[Zingdad]

@wolfke74 wrote:

Hi Zingdad,

Thanks for your uplifting answer. I had to read it more then once to feel/see it for what it is, in my heart. Certainly this part that you wrote:

“And then get on with what your heart says you must still do in this “old” world.

And then it hit me. No more hiding…so I decided to put my own journey online for everybody to read on my blog. But it is still a process in the making because I struggle a bit too how I can write my side of the story. My blog: http://lisasgeomagic.blogspot.com/

I hope you don’t mind that I ask another question, because I am full with questions.

Hi Wolfke

Awesome blog! After answering here I’ll go and read some more.

And I don’t mind more questions at all!

@wolfke74 wrote:

This is actually a question for 8:

Since a few weeks/months I am dreaming extraordinary dreams. And that kept me wondering, what are dreams?

I look the definition up online and got this: A series of images, ideas, emotions, and sensations occurring involuntarily in the mind during certain stages of sleep.

So what are dreams? And if they are real, are we really experiences these dream on another level of dimension? And what happens when we dream, because I read somewhere (can’t remember where) that we leave our body and coming back in our body during dreaming/sleeping?

I’ll pass you over to 8…

@8 wrote:

I greet you, Wolfke. You ask what dreams are.

Let me begin by saying that you are a far more powerful creator being than you can now imagine. The experience of being incarnated as a human being is actually an incredibly limiting and constrictive experience. But when you go to sleep you are somewhat released from some of these restrictions and your creator mind is given a little more freedom to play. What it DOES with that freedom will vary greatly from dream to dream and from person to person.

Dreams which seem to play out in a world with people and places are actually created by you in a realm that lies at a density very near to your own. You could call it the “imaginal realm”. It is as much a “real place” as your current reality is but the rules by which that reality is created are quite different from your current reality. Which is why you can, for example, fly in your dreams if you choose. You can also just “imagine” things into being in that realm. In that realm, what you imagine is what is true. Which can be a wonderful thing if you are good at imagining happy things. It can also be uncomfortable if you get lost in imaging fearful things. This is the origin of nightmares, you see.

But this “imaginal realm” can also be used to great purpose. You can, for example, meet your Inner-Self and your Spirit Guide there and be taught the lessons your are desiring to learn. Usually you will be show these things in a very practical experiential way – so you will play out scenarios in which you can see how their lesson is applicable.

Another great use for the imaginal realm is to try out things that you wish to experience without having to create a whole new incarnation. If you wanted to know, for example, what it might be like to be a soldier fighting a war then you could have that as a dream and you could see how you react to a particular scenario without the considerable investment in soul-energy that is a whole other incarnation.

Sometimes you will also be able to play out part of alternate time lines in the imaginal realm. Perhaps you are in a happy and stable relationship but there is someone with whom you, on a deeper level, wondered what it might be like to have a romantic connection. It might be that you choose to play some part of this out in the imaginal realm while you dream.

I give you a few random examples just to impart the idea: The world of dreams is a realm in which you, your soul-family and those with whom you are associated in spirit can work and play. Almost all dreams are not recalled when you awaken. There is much the “waking self” cannot know – for any number of reasons – and dreams that are about these matters are not recalled. But if you notice that your dreams seem to be particularly vivid or meaningful and if you awaken remembering your dreams then I would urge you to keep what is sometimes called a “dream diary”. On waking, simply jot down some key words describing the dream. You can come back later and see what you have written. If you do this you will be very surprised what your dreams have to teach!

And then there is also something else to remember. This life that you are now living is also, actually, a dream. In due course you will “wake up” from this life and marvel at how interesting it was, how much you learned from it and how “real” it seemed. For indeed, your whole life is just a dream to a greater version of you.

May you have wonderful dreams!

Thank you 8! What an amazing thought to think of waking up from this life! I hope this answers your question, Wolfke?

[Nekodos]

Hey Zingdad,

Thank you very much for your response! I’ve given it some thought and made some interesting discoveries 😉
I’ll give you a more throughout response later, when I’ve formulated it into a readable post :-p

Best wishes,
Nekodos

[wolfke74]

Hi Zingdad, 8
Sorry for the very late response. At this moment I am so busy at work and when I go home I have two childeren waiting for me, for my attention…. But here I am, getting a small break to respond to you. Thanks for explaning dreams to me 8 and also thank you Zingdad to channel this information to me. It was very helpfull to me. So when we are dreaming, we dream a dream in a dream

Lately I am dreaming a lot of dreams when , to say it in the old term “flying saucers” coming by. Maybe it is my desire how it feels to see something like that before it is actually happening.

I still have a question for Zingdad or 8 to answer: When I was reading the story I was thinking by “déja-vu”. I had in my life quite of number “déja-vu’s”. Is this because we experienced a scenario in a dreamworld? Or is this a memory of my Higher-Self (because I read somewhere that our higher-selfs already lived all the lives , including the live I am living now)

Thanks Zingdad for creating this opportunity to question what is around in the world and everywhere else (spritual realm?). I can feel the world is changing, there is also a lot of changing in my life right now…

We just have to hold on, keep centered and forecasting on LOVE, LIGHT and Laughter. 😀

[Nekodos]

@Zingdad wrote:

My friend you ask an important question. This issue of “proof” and undeniability ” is a tough one. I struggled with it for a long time and I know of other people that struggle with it also. We want to know for sure, without doubt that the thing is SO or else why would we trust it, right? I feel your concern!

However. The simple truth (from my perspective) is that:
1. “proof” is not what it seems and
2. seeking proof will actually impede your growth

Let me deal with those things one-by-one.
Firstly. Is there anything that you CAN actually prove beyond all doubt and question? Anything at all? I would like to make the perhaps surprising assertion that nothing can actually be proven. Let us take science as a model. Science doesn’t offer us “proof”. Science offers us hypotheses that fit the data available. If we test the hypothesis experimentally and it continues to fit the data under all kinds of different conditions we call it “proven” and accept it as “fact” but, over and over again science shows us that there are always exceptions that come along to upset the apple-cart and force us to re-evaluate those “facts” and come up with a new, improved hypothesis. Then the process starts again.

Actually, a hypothesis leads to a theory, not a fact. That’s why it can change later on, it’s never a fact, “just” a theory. However these theories are usefull.

@Zingdad wrote:

And where are we now with science? The fundamental building blocks of science… the most essential elements upon which all theories and ideas are built are these things: time, space, matter, energy and light. Pretty much every scientific theory starts with these things and builds on them. And yet we don’t have a clue what any of these things are! Do yourself a favour: see if you can find a working, scientifically valid definition of what “time” is or a description of how it works.

You won’t find one because there isn’t one. No one knows what “time” is. And yet, almost every physics theory or experiment is predicated, at some point, on measuring or defining something in relation to time! So what is the value of the “proof” if it relies on something else that is utterly unknown.

A scientific definition of time? It’s simply the measurement unit of change, just as we use feet/meters for small distances. If you’re talking about past, present and future…I’d think the general consensus is that only the (ever changing) present exists, past is memory and future has yet to come.
So if time in science is nothing more than a measurement unit, the theories created with them surely are valuable.

@Zingdad wrote:

And the same thing is true for “matter”. Everything we can interact with is “matter” but what IS it? Atoms? Yeah, okay but what are atoms? If you just keep asking the question you get to sub-atomic particles that we have some vague descriptions of how they behave but no idea at all of what they ARE. So again… all the “proofs” that are based upon matter are actually irrelevant if we don’t even know what we are talking about.

My point here is that “proof”, if you dig a bit, turns out to always be built on a few layers of things we think we know, and then underneath it all is always something that we don’t know. All “proofs” are like buildings without a foundation.

I think you’re only partly right here. Why would a theory be irrelevant, just because you don’t fully understand all things involved. Take the theory of gravity for example. We know gravity exists, what it does and how it works. We don’t know what causes it or even what it actually is.
It’s a force that pulls with a constant power, for earth that is 11.1km/sec (escape velocity). Without this knowledge, we wouldn’t be able to send anything into orbit. So we don’t know it all, but we know enough to help us in life…That is pretty much the “proof” I’m looking for here as well, something that can help me in my life.

@Zingdad wrote:

Simple question:
Can you PROVE to me that you exist?

You can’t.

I have had some pretty vivid dreams in my life. How can I know for sure this is not another dream and that you are not just a figment of my imagination? Or maybe you are not a real person and just a very clever computer programme that I am interacting with. You can’t prove to me – in such a way that I absolutely cannot doubt – that you even exist.

Neither can I prove that I exist to you!

There is a lot more I can say in this direction but I think you will understand where I am going: nothing is ultimately provable. The very idea of “proof” is becoming redundant.

And this is just as well! Because the idea that something should be “provable” is an idea that limits the growth of the one holding that idea.

That’s pretty much the gist of it, I could prove any math formula to you, but first you need to agree with me that 1+1=2.

@Zingdad wrote:

Why?

Because the simple fact of our reality is that everything changes. Change is the one and only constant. There is not one thing anywhere ever that does not change. And the concept of “proof” is that you must be able to pin something down so that it cannot be anything other than what you say it is. It cannot change. Well this cannot happen.

I don’t know…That’s not how I feel about prove, sure you pin something down to one thing. But it could still very much change. If you don’t pin down a certain definition of something, it gets rather hard to communicate… Imagine everyone having their own definitions for what words mean, conversation would be utterly impossible!

@Zingdad wrote:

And more than that. If I can PROVE something to you in such a way that you cannot doubt it then I take away from you your free-will right to see it any other way than what I say. I block you from your inalienable right to be a creator being and to create what you observe as you desire.

How about if I ask you to prove it to me in such a way, isn’t that my free-will decision then? You obviously have the free-will right to decline such a request 😉

@Zingdad wrote:

But this cannot be done! I cannot make you other than what you are! I cannot stop you from being a creator being. I cannot limit you. The closest I can come to this is to, maybe, convince you or trick you into agreeing with me that what I have is proof and you are not allowed to question it or doubt it. Is that not the game religions have always played? Is that not the game our governments and other “authorities” very often play? They say “this is The Truth” and if you argue or doubt then you are to be punished. So we generally comply and agree that that is The Truth even when our hearts know otherwise.

No no no, religions and governments don’t try to convince us with proof, they try to convince us without any proof, we simply need to have faith!!! Isn’t that much much worse? A religion telling me I need to believe in god, because they say so… It cannot be done! A government making cannabis illegal without informing the public about the possible uses of the plant…That is taking away my right to be a creator being WITHOUT giving me anything in return!
If religion would have any valuable proof, I’d be a believer. Taking things on faith just isn’t my game, believing that anything is true if I want it to be doesn’t really do me any good either…

@Zingdad wrote:

But the time for this mode of being is now coming to an end. People are awakening. They are discovering that the only truth they need to heed is what is written in their own hearts. Each being knows its own truth – if that being will but trust it. And this is the meaning of the statement I made about embracing uncertainty and doubt. You need to be willing to “play” without the experience “proving” itself to you. Because no independent verifiable external proof will come that you cannot also doubt.

I’m getting to that conclusion as well, just play with these ideas..Don’t try to prove them. Problem is that it’s all so wonderful I really want it to be “true” 🙂

@Zingdad wrote:

But take heart my friend! What WILL come is something much finer! As you travel this road you will discover in yourself a KNOWING. You will discover that all the proof you ever need is right there inside you. You will KNOW when a thing is right and true for you and you will KNOW when it is not. And that is far better than proof. Because it is yours and no external validation is necessary.

A final thought, Nekodos:
Have you ever really asked yourself the question “who am I?”
Try to answer that question without speaking about things that can and will change. So not your job, not your relationships, not the things you do… none of that stuff. And, if you believe in life-after-death then who are you when are no longer even in a human form? Who are you REALLY.

Its a tough question and it has given philosophers since time began a headache. And the reason is that YOU cannot be defined. Because you are an inseparable part of The One, which is infinite. And the maths of infinity is such that you cannot divide infinity. So this means that you too are infinite. This means that Who You Really Are has no boundaries, no limits and no restrictions. And a definition is actually just a boundary. If you define yourself as something you are at the same time saying you are NOT something else. This is a boundary. But you are not definable.

And, you see, all things are, in the same way, a part of The Oneness. This means all things are, at their core, beyond definition.

Does it not seem then like we need to get ready to live without proofs and definitions?

And if that sounds like a horrible chaotic way to live then I can assure you there IS a way to deal with it that is wonderfully liberating and empowering. It is for you to observe what is true for you in any given moment and accept that that is what it is: something that is true at that moment. And then allow that that will at some point in the future, also change. Allow also that RIGHT NOW that thing is also untrue for someone else.

And THIS is what is true from me. But I accept completely that it might not be so for you. 🙂

It’s not for me, but it sounds great! The thing I realized after I had read your post, was that I don’t think I need to ask any more questions to find this proof that I’m looking for. I believe if I would just take the time to actually try and get in touch with myself, I’d quickly discover if there is, indeed, more than meets the eye!

So thanks again Zingdad for your response, hope you don’t mind me fighting back a bit ;-p

[Zingdad]

Hello Wolfke

@wolfke74 wrote:

So when we are dreaming, we dream a dream in a dream

LOL! Yep, that is pretty much it! And to add confusion to the matter – I have even had dreams in which I was dreaming! I woke up and then a bit later woke up AGAIN. Dreams of dreams of dreams of dreams… WOW! 🙂

@wolfke74 wrote:

Lately I am dreaming a lot of dreams when , to say it in the old term “flying saucers” coming by. Maybe it is my desire how it feels to see something like that before it is actually happening.

This could be a number of things. It could simply be your desire manifesting or you could be working in the collective consciousness of the planet. There is MUCH going on with regard to visitation from other planets right now. Your higher-self is obviously aware of this and maybe this is what you are tapping into? There will be more about this in a response to another question later on…

@wolfke74 wrote:

I still have a question for Zingdad or 8 to answer: When I was reading the story I was thinking by “déja-vu”. I had in my life quite of number “déja-vu’s”. Is this because we experienced a scenario in a dreamworld? Or is this a memory of my Higher-Self (because I read somewhere that our higher-selfs already lived all the lives , including the live I am living now).

Interesting question! I’ll let 8 respond:
@8 wrote:

Just as the contents of your dreams can actually be one of many things, so to can the experience you have called “déja-vu”. Though there are a number of reasons you might experience this I will highlight the most common and the most relevant to the ascending soul. It is the realisation that time is an illusion. There really is no such thing. All time is NOW. All places are HERE. There is really only NOW HERE. Or NOWHERE. But you are experiencing a very powerful illusion that there is indeed time and space. That there is a “previous” and a “later” and that there is a “here” and a “there”. But your Inner-Self has, a much less powerful version of this illusion. Your Inner-Self sees your entire life, from beginning to end as one thing and as Right Now. It also sees all your alternate “possible and probable lifetimes as Right Now. The lifetime you are observing is only a small part of the greater picture which is You. But before I digress. Before you incarnated you spent some time in preparation for this lifetime. You reviewed some of the events you would be experiencing. Sometimes déja-vu occurs when you remember something you knew would be coming… and here it is! Sometimes déja-vu is when your consciousness and the consciousness of your Inner-Self draw nearer to each other. You become aware that the things that you are experiencing are all already created. You are simply the part of self that is navigating that which was already created.

These are complex subjects and can be hard to comprehend for those that are inside the illusion of the 3D realm. My suggestion therefore is to simply enjoy the moment as being one which you are sharing with your Inner-Self.

If you wish to better understand the complexity of dimensional realms then I can suggest you might enjoy a discussion that I had with Zingdad on that very topic which you can read here.

Okay! That is interesting, thanks 8. I haven’t often had déja-vu. But the once of twice I did it was powerful stuff. Once my lady-love, Lisa, and I were on holiday in Brugge in Belgium. It was our first visit there and so there was NO WAY I could have known anything about the place. We were walking around the town and suddenly this strange feeling came over me as if I could “remember” what lay ahead of us. I turned to Lisa and began describing what we would be seeing further ahead on our walk. We were both pretty blown away when it all turned out exactly as I said it would. And then the feeling left and I was back to being a tourist walking around that beautiful old town…

[Zingdad]

Hello Nekodos

What a wonderful rebuttal! I don’t AT ALL mind you “fighting back” a little. This is such fun!

May I begin by saying though, that I am making my own life difficult. My proposition is that one cannot prove anything. But if I am to defend this proposition then I am essentially trying to prove that we cannot prove anything! LOL!

But let me address some of your points and see if we might not come closer to agreement…
@Nekodos wrote:

Actually, a hypothesis leads to a theory, not a fact. That’s why it can change later on, it’s never a fact, “just” a theory. However these theories are usefull.

You are entirely correct, and on this we agree. I find myself in agreement with those who are doing “good science” who understand that there are only ever theories. Good theories are those that are useful in explaining our experiences of our universe.

What is not useful is when people begin to label these good theories as “scientific fact” and begin to entrench them and wish them to be unchangeable. This is what I was talking about. So I think we are in agreement.

@Nekodos wrote:

A scientific definition of time? It’s simply the measurement unit of change, just as we use feet/meters for small distances. If you’re talking about past, present and future…I’d think the general consensus is that only the (ever changing) present exists, past is memory and future has yet to come.
So if time in science is nothing more than a measurement unit, the theories created with them surely are valuable.

Okay… I like this a lot! I disagree on the details but I like the result anyway. Let me explain. I don’t agree that time IS the unit of measure. Just as I don’t agree that space IS the meters we are measuring it with. Space and time are, according to Einstein, one thing. But we don’t know what that thing IS. But that is less important than the understanding you have about time… it is just a measure of change. I agree with you very much on that count. I also agree that there is only the ever present NOW. Yes. We agree. And I also agree that scientific theories that are based upon time as a unit of measure are useful. If they describe our reality then that is wonderful. But none of this detracts from the point I was making. When we talk about time (as when we talk about distance) we are talking about the measurement of SOMETHING. And yet we have no idea what that something IS.

I am not arguing we should cease to do science! I am certainly not arguing that we should cease to examine our reality. Not at all. I am simply saying that it is equally useful to come to the realisation that what we have are theories built on theories built on theories. If you keep digging the “stuff” at the bottom of all these theories is… unknown! And that should give us pause for thought. TO ME this is quite a radical realisation. It means I should stop looking for THE TRUTH outside of myself. I should stop seeking THE TRUTH in external authorities. I should seek it instead inside in own heart and in my own experiences. This is what it means to me. But implicit in this understanding for me… is that it might mean something else entirely to someone else. Another person might come to the conclusion that it means science is just still busy finding the answers and will, in due course, solve all the mysteries! 🙂 So my proof that there is no proof really does prove nothing! 😆

@Nekodos wrote:

Why would a theory be irrelevant, just because you don’t fully understand all things involved. Take the theory of gravity for example. We know gravity exists, what it does and how it works. We don’t know what causes it or even what it actually is.
It’s a force that pulls with a constant power, for earth that is 11.1km/sec (escape velocity). Without this knowledge, we wouldn’t be able to send anything into orbit. So we don’t know it all, but we know enough to help us in life…That is pretty much the “proof” I’m looking for here as well, something that can help me in my life.

I think maybe I have explained myself a bit better already.

I don’t say scientific theories are not useful. Not at all. Without science I would not have a laptop upon which to type. There is very little in my life that is not provided to me by way of science. And I really actually love science and find it fascinating. Science is a very powerful tool for describing and understanding our reality. Particularly because it allows for every changing and expanding understandings… which is exactly what we call “scientific theories”. Right? So that is cool. What I am saying is that science will not offer us “ultimate proof”. All the theories are built upon other theories and ultimately, these theories do not rest upon anything that is absolute… that is concrete. There is nothing KNOWN and PROVED that cannot later change.

So science is a useful tool and we should continue to use it as such. Nothing more.

@Nekodos wrote:

I don’t know…That’s not how I feel about prove, sure you pin something down to one thing. But it could still very much change. If you don’t pin down a certain definition of something, it gets rather hard to communicate… Imagine everyone having their own definitions for what words mean, conversation would be utterly impossible!

Ah! Yes, absolutely! What you are talking about here is a “consensus reality”. We come to an agreement about certain things. We create definitions. As a silly example – we both look at all the infinite variations of colours in the light spectrum and we agree “THIS is blue, THAT is green and that over there is red”. It is so because we agree it is so. For no other reason. I believe is the same for the spirit beings that created this universe. They agreed certain things would be so. We that are incarnated here experience it as it is because we agree to it. We have created the rules by which we live… by which our reality functions. We experience it as being so because we agree to it before hand. Otherwise nothing would make sense at all.

But definitions and agreed-to concepts are not proof. Because, these too can change. They can be re-negotiated. Or you can meet someone that doesn’t agree to the consensus. Our little consensus reality is not the whole of all that is. It is just our little bubble that we have agreed to play inside.

So… yes… I agree 100%. We need to agree to stuff before hand or else there is nothing we can experience together… nothing we can share… and no point to this life. Without this there would BE no life. But these agreements do not constitute “proof”.
@Nekodos wrote:

How about if I ask you to prove it to me in such a way, isn’t that my free-will decision then? You obviously have the free-will right to decline such a request

I find this quite funny!
You are asking if it is possible to, as an act of free-will, give away your free will.
The answer is yes and no.
Yes, you can choose to experience the illusion of giving your free will away. It is called being a victim. This is discussed at great length in The Ascension Papers. We come here to this reality beyond the veil so that we can forget that we are creator beings. We remain in a state of forgetfulness by experiencing ourselves as victims. We enter into agreements with others that they will pretend to victimise us. In return we agree to pretend to victimise them. It is a big game. But when we are IN the game it is often anything but fun! It is sometimes very painful indeed. And while we are here being victims we believe we are not the creators of our own reality (for these two concepts are mutually exclusive). So we believe that we are not the holders of our own truth. The truth is “outside” of us. And so we search “outside” for this truth. We give our power away to institutions such as religion, politics and yes, even science. They must tell us what is The Truth.
Yes. We can do this. We can use our free will to give away our free will. We can ask other to prove to us that we are not the creators of our own reality. We can. We have. And we are, to one extent or another, continuing to do this all the time.

But if we want to awaken and remember who we really are… if we want to discover our true creator nature… then we should probably stop doing this.

Don’t you think?

It all depends what you want. If you want to experience yourself as a victim then give away your free will. If you want to experience yourself as a creator then claim it. And enact it. And own your own inner-truth. And CREATE! 🙂

@Nekodos wrote:

No no no, religions and governments don’t try to convince us with proof, they try to convince us without any proof, we simply need to have faith!!! Isn’t that much much worse? A religion telling me I need to believe in god, because they say so… It cannot be done! A government making cannabis illegal without informing the public about the possible uses of the plant…That is taking away my right to be a creator being WITHOUT giving me anything in return!
If religion would have any valuable proof, I’d be a believer. Taking things on faith just isn’t my game, believing that anything is true if I want it to be doesn’t really do me any good either…

And here we agree 100%. Religions and governments try to pretend they have proof. Certainly they tell us they are the holders of what must be true for all of us. We must do as they say. So they tell us. They know what is best for us. So they tell us. But, you are right, they have nothing and they do not know what is best for us. This is what they keep messing it all us so badly.

I agree 100% too that we should not take stuff on faith. That is exactly my point. Stop believing external authority. Trust YOURSELF, your heart, your intuition, you experiences. These are the things that will guide you to your truth.

If things outside of you are useful… then use them. Like science.

If ideas/ philosophies and beliefs outside of you resonate with your own truth then… agree with them. Some of the stuff inside some of the religions is pretty darn good! If you like it include it. But only because YOU say it’s good.

@Nekodos wrote:

I’m getting to that conclusion as well, just play with these ideas..Don’t try to prove them. Problem is that it’s all so wonderful I really want it to be “true”

OH BOY do I ever know where you are coming from! I really, really do understand what you are saying. For myself I have resolved it like this: if it works for me then I say it is true for me. But I agree with myself that I might at some point find a “better” truth. If I do then it is okay to let go of the previous truth and move on. Otherwise, if I don’t, growth will always be painful. Coming to new realisations will always mean hurting myself over the fact that I can’t let go of my old truth set.

@Nekodos wrote:

It’s not for me, but it sounds great!

…and I TOTALLY respect that! Not only am I willing to see that what is true for me no might not be true for me tomorrow but I am also willing to see that what is true for me might not be true for you. This does not make anyone at any time “wrong”. For me “truth” is dynamic and subjective.

@Nekodos wrote:

The thing I realized after I had read your post, was that I don’t think I need to ask any more questions to find this proof that I’m looking for. I believe if I would just take the time to actually try and get in touch with myself, I’d quickly discover if there is, indeed, more than meets the eye!

YES, my friend! So, so much more! Everything you need is already right there within you. “You are an infinitely powerful, eternal, immortal creator being.“

I believe this about you as I believe this about all of us.

Thank you so much for this discussion!

[Zingdad]

“Steve I.” sent me the following question:
@Steve I wrote:

Are there multiple realities, meaning where there is more than one of us as observers and creators in our bodies but with different beliefs, consciousness, realities and outcomes? Maybe Adamu can answer this? Sort of like a tree branch expanding but with other outcomes but we as observers perceiving it as one experience in linear time but not multidimensional.

Hello Steve

Thanks for the question. It seems 8 is best positioned to address this question.

@8 wrote:

Steve, you are begining to awaken to a greater awareness of “what is”. This much is evident from your question. Yes, indeed, there are mutiple realities. I have co-authored a piece with Zingdad on the subject of Dimensions which you may read here. This will help you to understand the bigger picture.

But you ask specifically about one being holding different beliefs and experiencing different outcomes. This is an interesting question. There is a “cloud of possibility” which you could most certainly envisage (as you suggest) as a tree branching outwards with infinite possibilities. There is a “greater” you… your inner-self… for whom all these possibilities are real. For this being all the choices you could have taken co-exist. They are all true. But there are certain choices that are more interesting to this being. These are the choices that lead to the outcomes that your Inner Self desires. These occur where the the opportunities for soul-expansion and growth are optimised. And your Inner Self invests more energy and attention in these time lines – which are really just routes through the cloud of potentiality.

So who are “you” and what is “your life”? You are the particle of your Inner-Self that is currently engaged in limiting its self-perception so that it can imagine it is just one being and has only one perspective. It is using this single perspective to observe its progress through one possible route in the cloud of potentiality. As you make your choices so you are navigating the cloud. You bring certain experiences and interactions to yourself based upon what you choose.

And it is so, of course for all other beings. All are such “clouds”. This means that you, by your choices, can choose the “version” of the others you will engage with. Just as they can for you. I will give you two examples: In the first example: two people are engaged in a romantic partnership. They come to have difficulty with each other. Each thinks the other is at fault and they fight. They each demand of the other that they must change. But neither will concede and the animosity increases. The relationship terminates. In the second example one of the beings sees that he has brought this angry interaction to himself by his choices. He sees that he, himself, is the author of his own difficulties. He makes the choice to be the change he desires. He changes. He literally “retunes” his outer-reality to his new inner-reality. He finds that his partner is willing to undergo a similar process. They find a much deeper more loving understanding and move forward together.

A final note, though Steve. Each beings’ cloud of potentiality is finite in scope. That is to say there are certain choices that you would take… and it would still be YOU. Then there are choices that you would not take… or it would not longer still be YOU. There are live you would not choose to live and experiences you would not choose to have.

I do hope this addresses your query.

[Zingdad]

Daniel MacLean posted the following question on my Facebook page:
@Daniel wrote:

Hi zing, remember those crazy days Oct 2008 when THEY were supposed to disclose? Well, these days are alike. Many of the respectable channelings are buzzing with imminent disclosure, although this time no DATE was given, thanks God! Well, in 2008 I was very connected with U and ur sources from beyond the veil and I would really appreciate your personal view and maybe Adamus’ about the days we are living this time. Not a confirmation, but a shearing of views and hopes. Cheers

Hello Daniel

Yep the 2008 event is still quite fresh in my memory. And, you know, I have come to understand how very perfect that all was. In so many ways. I think many of us “grew up” a little though that experience. I think planetary consciousness was subtly shifted though all that. But anyway… I’ll get out of the way and let Adamu talk to your question:

@Adamu wrote:

Greetings my friend. You are correct in your sense that disclosure is immanent. There is certainly a heightened sense of anticipation on the planet right now and there is also an increased presence of ships of all descriptions in your skies. Both of these things are true. More and more governments are opening up their secret “UFO” archives and beginning to release the information they hold. Bodies such as the United Nations are preparing to engage with extra-terrestrial life. All this is true.

So what is has changed?

The difference now is that you… earth humans… you are changing your collective consciousness. You are opening up to new possibilities in a whole new way. Where before the notion of engagement with extra-terrestrial beings was cause either for derision of fear, now there is a new willingness to believe that this is possible and more than that, this would be a wonderful thing. And this new, elevated consciousness is essential. Let me tell you why.

There are many, many different planetary civilisations from this galaxy and beyond who are interested in what is going on on planet earth. Vast armadas of craft from these civilisations are present in your planetary environs. But one can, broadly speaking, classify these beings into three groups: negative-oriented, positive-oriented and neutral. Those of a negative orientation have a self-serving interest in your planet. They would like to strip your planet of resources and particularly use the planetary population for their own interests. Some would like to use your genetic structure to provide their dying civilisations with a new, more robust vehicle for incarnation. Others would like to see you serve them as would-be slaves. There are certainly such beings “out there” in your planetary environs. Then there are those of a positive orientation. These are beings that would like nothing more than to assist you to find the most balanced and healthy way of being on your planet. I can speak for one of these later civilisations, the Pleiadians. We see ourselves as something like a parent race to your own. We feel profound protective love towards you. And we have, for all the ages of the existence of your race upon planet earth been keeping a careful eye over you. Watching and waiting for the moment when you will have matured to the point where we would be able to engage with you as equals.

Why have we not come before? Let me address that using an example with which you are familiar. When a child or a young person makes a mess of things there is the kind of parent that rushes in, takes the problem away, fixes it all up and makes it okay so that the child feels no repercussions for its acts whatsoever. Then there are parents who, with their hearts in their throats, stand back and let the child feel the results of its actions and let the child find its own solutions. The first kind of child never really grows up. Such a child is dependant on its parents for as long as they live. Such parenting is not healthy for any concerned as it fosters continued dependency. In the latter case, the child grows up strong, self-assured and independent. Such a child becomes a wonderful contributor to society and will, soon after coming to adulthood, be valued by its parents as a full equal.

You see?

We are very happy to be the later kind of parent. And you are indeed growing up strong and independent. Yes, you are experiencing many trials and many tribulations as you walk this path. But you are learning faster and faster. And you are very soon coming to a major junction in your collective consciousness. It is a point in your planetary history when you will decide what kind of civilisation you will be… predominantly Service To Self or predominantly Service To Other. And as a result of that choice you will open yourselves to a whole gamut of other new engagements and experiences.

The negative oriented beings have tried to get what they want from you and have tried to influence the outcome in their own way. They have been like the overbearing parent that would have you be eternally dependant and in a subordinate position to them. But they have had very minimal success. They are significantly less advanced than the positively oriented beings and so have been vigorously kept in check as we have enforced a kind of a quarantine as you make your way to maturity and decide for yourself, with the minimum of interference, who you will be.

Soon you will be ready to make the great choice and your planetary civilisation will make the quantum leap from being “planetary aware” to “galacticaly aware”. We are confident in the extreme that your overwhelming consensus will be towards the positive. That you will collectively choose for “Service to Other”. But that will be your choice. And then you will move one step up the ascension ladder as your planetary civilisation makes its way Home to full Unity Consciousness.

I trust this addresses your question?

Keep spreading your light as you go,
Adamu of the monadic entity of the Pleiadian civilisation

[Dason]

Thanks Zingdad, Adamu.
Your reply to Daniel is very illuminating regarding overbearing parent, boy have i experienced that and the resulting dependence.
Though i can acknowledge that on some level i have agreed to have this experience with this particular person, i am able throgh awareness to release this unhealthy relationship and allow
a more mutually beneficial relationship to grow.

This also speaks very much to cultivating the connection with our inner-Self and the lessons of discernment.
I recall zingdads account of being a small boy with a pebble and asking the approaching consciousness that very discerning question “Do you love me unconditionally”.
I understand that our intention to connect with the inner-Self requires perseverance and commitment, and our vibrational level influences what we will attract to our experience.
My question is, how do we ensure that we contact the highest good?

[chimene]

Dear Zingdad and Friends,

I AM fairly new to this site, having only been by here once or twice before and subscribing to your newsletter. For some reason 😉 ♥ I felt compelled to come by here today and read some of the posts in this section. I have no idea as to why or to what end, but I AM just going with the flow and enjoying the ride as much as I can in any given moment, based on my perception in that moment, which is constantly changing.

With that being said, I have some questions I would like to ask. I AM releasing all preconceived ideas to the response I will receive, if any, and although I know I can go within and ask MySelf these questions, which I have and I do understand that there are many different perspectives on this, many different paths, I AM interested to hear a different perspective on what I AM focused in on perceiving and trying to understand in this moment, from someone who may have a better vantage point than myself.

I AM concerned with the order of precedence…. That is, “where the mind goes so does the energy flow”…

It is my perception at this time that many people are focused OUTWARDLY in regards to the process of Ascension. They seem to think of it as something outside of themselves, an energetic circumstance that is happening on a global level, that will bring such drastic change, that their reality will be instantly changed and they will be “saved” or handed a “new earth”. That some sort of “JUDGEMENT” will happen and people of a certain vibration will be left behind, die in mass or be “Condemned to living in 3D,” while they themselves are lifted up into a new dimension away from this reality that they helped create. Some people believe instead, they have to wait for a certain day until the proper energy will be in place to effect change, or that someone will come and save them.

I think these people may be waiting forever, if this is their expectation and I worry for them. I AM concerned for many of the people who place so much expectancy on a specific date to be saved, that once that date comes and goes, they may fall into despair and give up all hope or pursuit of deepening their spirituality, their connection to Source. Yet, I do see the possibility that this scenario could work as a mass wake up call for all who thought they were elevated, more special, more connected, etc…. and that will send them to look deeper within….

From my perspective I SEE Ascension as a two way street… I SEE that in order to bring about the change we want to see in the world, we must bring about that change within ourselves first. In order for us to experience a “New Reality,” we must change our perceptions of ourselves, our neighbors and the universe by releasing ALL FEAR, ALL JUDGEMENT, ALL CONDEMNATION, and ALL Limiting EXPECTATIONS of each other and ourselves, and then start making new Choices based from a foundation of Universal UNCONDITIONAL LOVE and who we truly are at our core level, our soul level.

I do not SEE us being “handed” a NEW Earth…. I SEE US “CREATING a new earth” with the resources we already have and by bringing in higher energies ourselves from within, when we are a clear enough conduit, and using that energy to bring “heaven to earth”. It seems like to me, the way to truly learn is by dealing with the mess we’ve made. As a parent would have a child clean their dirty bedroom and pick up their toys and throw away the trash, we need to take responsibility for who we are, and our contribution and make better, more discerning choices and clean up the mess within and without.

I SEE US changing our hearts, our minds, our ways of perceiving and interacting with each other and bringing Peace and Harmony to this planet ourselves while respecting, loving life and IT’S expressions…. in all it’s diversity of people, philosophies, etc. I SEE that we cannot become Full Co-creators, with unlimited potential until we have mastered ourselves, cleared the way and embrace our Unconditionally Loving true core, eternal self, our I AM presence, Christed selves, etc….

In order to get to this point of BEING….. I SEE the individual as having to go through a constant process of Purification and Self Transcendence; having to deal with the ORIGINAL CAUSE WITHIN of ALL that is outside of ourselves, what we see in our reality.

By looking in the mirror, we not only see and understand Illusions/fear, but we see and understand how many of our current perceptions, feelings and thoughts are based on these illusions that creates our reality. We can heal these fears by identifying them and coming to a new universal, unconditionally loving perspective, a higher truth. A Process of emptying the Vessel, if you will, and refilling it from Source, our divine blueprint.

I have been going through (and continue to go through) a purification process myself and understand that I have been working with “Original Cause” within my own Psyche, within my energy bodies, within my memories and past lives clearing out Fear, Judgment, Condemnation, misperceptions, limiting self-perceptions, releasing attachments to permanency and identity, roles, etc.

Yet I see many people stopping very short of this process. So many people seem to believe that they can be in a higher octave through Ascension while still carrying Fear, Judgement, anything that is not based in unconditional Love; never questioning WHO THEY ARE and changing their fears, their judgements, their condemnations, their fear based perceptions that their foundation of who they think they are is based upon….. choosing not to see the importance of being ONE of Unconditional Love.

Instead, it seems that many of these people are focused outward. Focusing on who to blame, or who will save them rather than taking responsibility for their own contribution to the energy of our reality, etc….

It makes me take a closer look as to where their focus is going, where their energy/attention is flowing… some obvious places are governments, economy, religion, wars, politics, internet, etc… But in the new age and metaphysical communities I see the attention/energy being diverted to isolating and separating, pointing out differences, an “US vs. Them” mentality… “3D vs. 5D”, etc. and this doesn’t FEEL right either.

I AM starting to feel that there is a time when ONE needs to take the TIME and walk away from the TV and the internet and take that energy and focus it within to heal themselves. Once that is done to some extent, do we reconnect to the world the way we used to, or do we find a new way/ old way of interacting with people. For some reason, I feel that interacting with people on a one on one basis is important. To allow them to see and feel your energy and maybe be inspired to look within themselves to find their answers. Is this the way new leaders are coming forth in the Golden Age? A more hands on, unconditionally loving, personable approach? It FEELS like this is the right way, at least for me….

Now, I know these statements I made have many implications, but it is my hope you can see my heart and see I AM not trying to judge or condemn anyone, but that I AM trying to understand something MORE…. where my heart is leading me, but also if my perceptions have some accuracy…. Sometimes I wonder if there are different “types” of Ascension too… depending on how far the Soul wants to take it’s own growth in one lifetime.

Thanks you so much for your time and understanding. I know this is long winded… I can’t help myself.. it is just my nature to think out loud… Many Blessings to you and those you cherish. I hope you have a wonderful day! ♥

Chimene

[dan]

Thank you Zingdad and Adamu. I agree Zing about how much the disclosure “fiasco” of 2008 made me grow up and mature. I was hiding many psychological complexes and unfinished business from which I wanted to be freed by their coming. I wanted to be saved from my self. At the same time, for much of a wanderer that I might be, I was SO, SO, SO terrorized by their coming, I knew that my nervous system would not have resisted full disclosure. Not because I thought they were evil, not at all, just looking at their ships in the sky, close enough and knowing they were every were… I would have gone crazy. And I have found a very interesting info from Bashar, the ET channeled through Aryl anka just about this point. Look.

-“We do not mean this to sound egotistical or derogatory to you in any way, but
when you encounter beings that are willing to be their full selves, these beings
operate at a higher frequency. We could use the analogy of a faster spinning
gear and a slower turning gear. When you bring a slow gear and a fast gear
together without allowing them to match frequencies, and jam them into
physical interaction, there will only be a disruption, a psychotic breaking.
Because the idea is that our frequency physiologically in a sense would force
your vibration to accelerate at a higher level by being in proximity to our
frequency. That would allow all the things many of you have kept buried within
you to rise to the surface, forcing you to face them. This can cause psychotic
shock to certain individuals.”

Now I think am much more prepared. And it was much in part because of the lesson they gave us on the 14th october 2009.

Now, another very interesting message from the seventies by Hatton through the group who channeled the Ra material mentioning the idea of THE CHOOSING. Enjoy

http://llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/1974/1974_0402.aspx

daniel.

[Author]

Posts