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July 4, 2009 at 2:11 am #12552danMember
Hey Zing, now 8 clarifies better what I wrote about death and 2012. I didn’t explain myself good, but my sensation was the one that one can have reading 8’s arguments about death. Just change. Weather we keep or lose our bodies is not so important because the world and reality that is about to arrive is so, so different as that we experience when we die. And that’s why there is that time of aclimatation in the inbetween, the Bardo. Change is so abrupt that we need help and time to get along the new reality. In that sense, the new world and change of densities, realities, dimensions we are gonna go through is gonna be like a death. Meaning a profound change. A change so deep that is gonna be like awakening. Even the word apocalypse means unveiling or revealing, thus, awakening.
It’s been some time that I thought that the experience most alike death is incarnation, for the same reason 8 speaks about. amazing! And I clearly remember the scene in starwars when Anakin was about to receive it’s Darth Vader outfeet. Those medical robots were prepearing him in this kind of torture bed(my english is awful) I was so nervous and sweting wanting to shout and run, but then the worst thing was when the mask apporached his face and he could see through those eyes… everything red, red, red, for ever red. Good bye to colors, to freedom… God, what a terrible and excruciating pain I felt, desperation, I almost had an attanck in the theater. Later I understood. It was my memories of incarnation.
And then reading the last message from Quo about the difficulties wanderers have… well, yes, if something was my greatest “oponent” in life was fear. Fear of this world that “I desided” to come to. The experience was too painful, too lonely, too confusing, I shutted my self off. Distrust in the flow of things. The idea I did something wrong, pretty wrong, hence, this darth vader suit. And wow! darth vader was always my dearest personage in star wars. I somehow sensed it was my mythical story.
Well, Zing thanks so much for the ascension papers, it’s helping me a lot already. And thanks for my own version of 8 that brought me here.
good night
Daniel
PS more and more thankssssssssssssssssssJuly 4, 2009 at 7:35 pm #12553mathewdhartMemberHi Zingdad,
Well, I must say, 8 was great! Well worth the wait! (LOL)
I particularly enjoyed 8’s perspective regarding choosing the timing of our own death — of multiple exit points, and of having the choice to seamlessly return to our lives and live out a new timeline, or not. Fascinating! Also, in the same vein, the perspective that when we die even those we leave behind can be there waiting for us on the other side of the veil — well, their higher selves anyway. This is something I never considered before. I always considered that a loved one (or loved ones) that had transitioned before me would be there to greet me — not those who were still incarnate! Of course, it would be hard to choose to leave my loved ones behind, however, if their multi-dimensional selves were already there to greet me… But it does beg the question (from me anyway)… if I am able to interact with the higher selves of my loved ones after I pass through the veil, how will I perceive my own higher self? Will I meet this person (me) in a form that appears separate from my self or will I simply feel them/hear them/experience them more clearly than I do on this side of the veil?
Looking forward to 9…
Mathew
July 6, 2009 at 8:54 am #12554wolfke74MemberHi Zingdad,
I read al the chapters of the Ascension papers and it really resonates with me. From the first word I read untill the last one in chapter with 8. But there is one in particular story in the chapter 7 with joy-divine that blowed me away. My heart was so feeling it and yearning for it. 🙁
This is a piece of that story:
“There will be another. A far happier group. There are some people on planet earth right now that have a very special, very deep bond with the earth. They are the Earth Partners. They will know who they are because they will have had an experience of a mystical bond with the earth.”I had years ago two expiriences that were amazing. I was one with Earth. I was every drop of water, every animal and plant, every leaf on the trees every branch on the trees, I was every drop of water but I also was the ocean, like the puzzle. Every piece is single but I you pieced them togother it becomes One. It was a blessfull moment , and one I want to have back.
I am looking forward to your other channelings. Since I have been on niburu.nl , I have taken a spiritual journey that has taken to me to this ascencion papers. I have changed in these few months I am busy with. I also had a lot of beautiful experiences. 😉
I had also the privelege to have a free channeling by Brad about one of my past lives in Atlantis. This is what he wrote , and that is why I feel now so in sinc. With your story about Earth partners.
IN YOUR PAST LIVES, ONE OF YOUR PAST LIVES, YOU WERE WHAT YOU KNOW AS ATLANTIAN. YOU HAVE BEEN ON EARTH FOR QUITE SOME TIME. YOU HAVE LIVED SEVERAL LIVES, SEVERAL INCARANTIONS ON THIS PLANET. YOUR LIFE AT THE TIME OF ATLANTIS SPANNED ACROSS THREE DIFFERENT INCARNATIONS. ALL RANGING AROUND THE IDEA OF WHAT YOU KNOW AS A KEEPER OF NATURE AND A TEACHER. YOU BEARED CHILDREN WITH ANOTHER ATLANTEAN WHO ALSO SHARES A LIFE WITH YOU IN THE NOW. THROUGH ATLANTIS , YOU HELPED EDUCATE MANY YOUNG CHILDREN AND YOU MAINTAINED A HEALTHY BALANCE OF NATURE THROUGH INDIVIDUALIZED ENERGY WORK INVOLVING GARDENS AND OTHER FORMS OF WILDLIFE TO MAINTAIN THE BALANCE OF NURTUING THROUGH THE MEANS OF PLANTS AND VEGETATIONS.
I just had one question. He talks about 3D and other dimensions above. Are there also 1D en 2D dimensions , I presume the also excist? 🙂July 6, 2009 at 5:54 pm #12555WillMember…welcome wolfke74…
…I will offer up 2 cents… others might give more…
…in my understanding the seat of the 1st D is the iron core of this world… this is the base that our spirits anchor to…
…then *children* of 1D might be considered the minerals of this world…
…2 D is the point where the line is crossed towards basic life… bacteria upwards to one-celled organisms…
…as you can probably see, there are blurred and fuzzy distinctions at all levels… a gradated movement upwards…
…Will…
July 6, 2009 at 7:10 pm #12556ZingdadMember@dan wrote:
Hey Zing, now 8 clarifies better what I wrote about death and 2012. … the new world and change of densities, realities, dimensions we are gonna go through is gonna be like a death. Meaning a profound change.
Hi dan
It seems I misunderstood you quite a bit. But this post of yours clears that up. Yes, I agree death is a profound change and in that same way any profound change is a kind of a death. Like when you have been with a person in a relationship and that relationship ends. There is a big change. Then there is a period of mourning. And isn’t it amazing that we then go through exactly the same stages of grief and mourning that we do when we have lost a loved on to death? It might not be as intense but it is the same process.
And so, yes, I find I agree with you. All these major changes that we now undertake as we tread the path to ascension can be quite like death. CERTAINLY my own experience of my own ascension path has brought me a great many such “deaths” in my life. I have had to let go of a tremendous amount of things as I found they no longer served me. And some of these “letting go” processes were very traumatic. Letting go of being a victim was very, very difficult for me. And maybe this is a story I shall tell some time.
But yes, I get what you’re saying and I agree.
@dan wrote:
if something was my greatest “oponent” in life was fear. Fear of this world that “I desided” to come to. The experience was too painful, too lonely, too confusing, I shutted my self off. Distrust in the flow of things. The idea I did something wrong, pretty wrong, hence, this darth vader suit.
Oh wow, do I sympathise with that! I know EXACTLY what you are talking about. If you recall in chapter 1 I tell about my past lives? The life just before this one was the “wizard” lifetime. I did some pretty abusive and dark stuff in that life. And then, after that I had to find my way back to self. When I incarnated again I often felt the way you describe. I held SUCH deep fear. Not of the world itself but of what I might do in it if I ever found my way back to personal power. I feared myself being an abuser again. So I locked myself of from my own source of authentic power. And in so doing I caused myself to live a life that was anaemic, sickly, listless, joyless, powerless and full of victimhood. And that was the story of my life until a few years ago. Until I started to find my way back to self-love. So I understand, I really do.
And you know, dan, in the end even Darth Vader finds his way back to the light-side. Even Darth Vader’s heart is melted by love! 😀
@dan wrote:
Well, Zing thanks so much for the ascension papers, it’s helping me a lot already. And thanks for my own version of 8 that brought me here.
good night
Daniel
PS more and more thankssssssssssssssssssYou are so, so welcome, my friend. And you know what? I am told we have only just BEGUN with the good stuff. This is going to be a very exciting journey!
July 6, 2009 at 7:25 pm #12557ZingdadMember@mathewdhart wrote:
Hi Zingdad,
Well, I must say, 8 was great! Well worth the wait! (LOL)
Hi Mathew
I was going to reply with rhymes about 8
But then I decided I wouldn’t take the bait.Ooo… err
Nevermind.
😆
@mathewdhart wrote:
Also, in the same vein, the perspective that when we die even those we leave behind can be there waiting for us on the other side of the veil — well, their higher selves anyway. This is something I never considered before.
This surprised me too. I suppose it’s obvious when you think about it… but I’m so used to thinking in a linear-time fashion that this kind of stuff often takes me by surprise.
@mathewdhart wrote:
if I am able to interact with the higher selves of my loved ones after I pass through the veil, how will I perceive my own higher self? Will I meet this person (me) in a form that appears separate from my self or will I simply feel them/hear them/experience them more clearly than I do on this side of the veil?
I feel this will depend entirely on your perspective. You will be whatever you believe yourself to be (or whatever you are willing and able to remember yourself to be). And from that context there is you, then there are the “lower” aspects of self which would be the incarnated personae and then there will always be a “higher” self too. It will be an aspect of self that you know to be “self” but will recognise as being more radiant and magnificent than you currently find yourself to be.
I think there is ALWAYS this… it is truly fractal. You can zoom in as much as you like and you can zoom out as much as you like. Wherever you are there is always still more picture to look at – endlessly recursive in all directions. So – yeah – there is always a higher self. I think so.
@mathewdhart wrote:
Looking forward to 9…
So am I! 🙂
July 6, 2009 at 8:17 pm #12558ZingdadMember@wolfke74 wrote:
I had years ago two expiriences that were amazing. I was one with Earth. I was every drop of water, every animal and plant, every leaf on the trees every branch on the trees, I was every drop of water but I also was the ocean, like the puzzle. Every piece is single but I you pieced them togother it becomes One. It was a blessfull moment , and one I want to have back.
Hi wolfke
Firstly may I wish you a very warm welcome to the Book of Light! It’s awesome to have you here.
Wolfke I am so glad you have posted this. My lady-love and I have both had some similar experiences. Profound, wonderful, amazing, healing, beautiful experiences. I find these experiences just can’t be made to fit into words or concepts that I can adequately communicate to another person. When I tell the story it ends up sounding really lame compared to what I experienced. But once I had touched this I just knew I had to find my way back there again.
When I went questing to find out what this meant I was told the experience was a “love letter” from the earth – from “Gaia” as we have called her. It was an invitation to dance. A whole new and amazing dance. And I was told some others were getting a similar invitation. Each one would be a little different becasue each of us is a little different. But the basics would be the same: we would each have a wondrous, mystical experience of unity with the earth herself. We would experience unambiguously that the earth is a living being. A oneness composed of the manyness. And we would feel our hearts touched by this being.
There are many, many paths forward into the ascension. Some paths will take you off this planet onto other planets. Some paths will take you to new realities. Some paths may be on one of the versions of earth but not serving the planet in quite the same way, I guess. And who knows what else could lie ahead for some beings. But, I am told, ones that have experienced this mystical union with Gaia herself have been invited – and have on a soul level accepted the invitation. We are Earth Partners. That is our path forward. We serve the planet as a network of points of light as she births herself into the next density.
I am one such. My lady-love is another. And it seems to me you are one too. I am pleased indeed to have made your acquaintance. And I look forward to meeting more.
@wolfke74 wrote:
I just had one question. He talks about 3D and other dimensions above. Are there also 1D en 2D dimensions , I presume the also excist? 🙂
They certainly do!
@Will wrote:
…in my understanding the seat of the 1st D is the iron core of this world… this is the base that our spirits anchor to…
…then *children* of 1D might be considered the minerals of this world…
…2 D is the point where the line is crossed towards basic life… bacteria upwards to one-celled organisms…
…and my dear brother Will has hit the nail squarely on the head! This is the gist of it as I understand it also… 1st density is minerals, 2nd density is life forms that are not self-aware. But my understanding of densities and dimensions is somewhat sketchy at present but both 8 and J-D have now promised us a chapter on this subject. I especially look forward to getting the explanation for what is in the higher densities and what the experience of life is like at each density.
July 7, 2009 at 4:34 am #12559bajillicMemberHi ZIngdad and everyone… thanks Zingdad once again for sharing and giving us this wonderful opportunity to learn and awaken ourselves.
I am currently on Chapter 5 and my mind is just spurting out so many questions for JD….. I always have questions and I know I have the answers inside me somewhere if I have the means to create the questions as do we all.This is probably going to be a long winded question but I will see what comes out. Please correct me anywhere Zingdad or JD.
We are all here on earth having this current earthly experience, we chose to have this experience and in doing so a veil came up so we have no true knowledge of our other existences. While experiencing ‘separatism’ many of us are slowly learning about oneness and our connection to this great oneness/god. Hence we are reawakening ourselves and ascending.
Does ascending really just mean “reremembering all that we once knew and are we returning back to our origin that we had before this existence?
If our previous existence was so blissful why would we choose to come somewhere where we know we will have a veil placed and live in ‘separatism’ instead of oneness and joy?
Were we so bored we needed to come here as some sort of test? Really what would draw anyone here to have such experiences? As we ascend in this life time will we experience ourselves in other dimensions and come and go as we wish?I shall end here as I know another question will appear!
Thanks
Jilly
July 7, 2009 at 9:11 am #12560ZingdadMemberHi Jilly
Glad to have you along for this journey!
Those are good and interesting questions. I suspect they might be answered somewhat as you read chapters 6 and 7. So I’ll keep them on the backburner ’till then, okay? Let me know if they aren’t and I’ll happily see if I can address them.
~Z~
July 7, 2009 at 9:27 am #12561wolfke74MemberHi ZIngdad,
Thanks for this beautiful information, I look forward to ascend with Gaia.
Just a silly question again that rose when I was reading your answer. 😕
You say there is 1D and 2D dimensions. We ascend to the fourth dimension and then to fifth dimension. The organisms on 1ste and 2nd dimension will they ascend also to a another higher dimension and get counsioness or will they stay there on that same level even when Gaia ascended to fourth dimension? 😯
July 7, 2009 at 11:31 am #12562wolfke74MemberJust something I wanted to share with you all. Especially with Earth ascending. This artwork is mine and I made it not long ago.
July 7, 2009 at 3:01 pm #12563WillMember…wolfke asks…
The organisms on 1ste and 2nd dimension will they ascend also to a another higher dimension and get counsioness or will they stay there on that same level even when Gaia ascended to fourth dimension?
…again I will draw from my understandings and anyone else is welcome to jump in …agree…disagree…etc…
…the whole planet is moving upward in frequencie… everything will become more refined… I am not sure where the line will be crossed from pre-sentient to sentient…
…we are a carbon based life form… it is just a couple of moves on the periodic chart of elements to make the move to silica base life… this involves refinement…
…in 1D mineral kingdom, crystals could be said to hold the apex… it might be that the whole density becomes crystaline in form…
…this will be an adventure of discovery to see how it all plays out…
July 7, 2009 at 7:12 pm #12564Ann7002MemberHi everyone 😀
I have to express a heartfelt THANK to you Zingdad, J-D and 8 <3I have now read 7 chapters, and the introduction to 8….. I’m looking forward to read more !
WOW, not one tiny little word out of line with my heart say is “my” truth !
I have started “spreading the word”, giving the link to those of my friends whom I belive is on a simular path of ascension as we are.
Nothing scared me, I only felt joy and happines, even though I cried when I realised that I have chosen life several times in this lifetime, it was tears of joy 😀 I love living here on Gaia, she is my mother, each time I have chosen life I have loved more of everything (and I have always been loving and full of joy). Now on the other hand, I find life difficult, there seems to be no point in anything.. still, life goes on, and we have to play the game to continue to experience, the game is not over till it’s over 😉Love, Truth and Joy to everyone from the west coast of Norway
-AnnJuly 8, 2009 at 10:55 am #12565ZingdadMember@wolfke74 wrote:
The organisms on 1ste and 2nd dimension will they ascend also to a another higher dimension and get counsioness or will they stay there on that same level even when Gaia ascended to fourth dimension?
Wolfke I have a feeling that things are not as simple as that. You see 1st and 2nd density consciousness structures already exist somewhat in a state of unity. That is to say a plant of a rock would not consider itself to be an individual any more than a cell in your body would. These are expressions of a greater consciousness. So there might be a massive soul that is responsible for all trees of a certain type on the planet – lets say Pine trees. And another one that expresses all quartz rocks. You seem to be asking if the quartz rock would want to move up and express itself as a plant and if the Pine tree being would want to individuate into a self-conscious animal. Well, I really don’t know about that at all. I don’t think there is any kind of rule to say it must be so. I agree with Will that everything grows and evolves “upwards” but I don’t know that it must necessarily be in a strict linear fashion.
By way of support for my contention I shall say that I was never a mineral, never a plant and never a non-self-conscious animal. I did not evolve my consciousness in that way. I know this to be true for me. I rather suspect most humans did not either. Which would indicate to me that there is no requirement of climbing step by-little-step all the way from the bottom of 1D to the top of 8D. For me the lowest my soul has ever penetrated is 3D. And I have not expressed myself at many tones of 3D either. And from here I believe I am going to hop-scotch my way home – not expressing myself in every density up either! So it is most apparent to me that there are no strict rules about this stuff.
But this is just my perspective and my guess. I will probably get some more clarity for myself on this subject in the “densities and dimensions” chapter when that comes. And then you can see what you think of that.
As an interesting aside – I believe our bodies at 5D have a crystalline structure. 🙂 Just some food for thought!
July 8, 2009 at 11:08 am #12566ZingdadMember@Ann7002 wrote:
Hi everyone 😀
I have to express a heartfelt THANK to you Zingdad, J-D and 8 <3Hi Ann
You are MOST welcome.
…and I also wish you a warm welcome to BoL!Ann I am most please that you have found such resonance in The Ascension Papers. I am really loving the process of writing them too!
@Ann7002 wrote:
Now on the other hand, I find life difficult, there seems to be no point in anything.. still, life goes on, and we have to play the game to continue to experience, the game is not over till it’s over 😉
I feel this with you. To one degree or another before I began writing The Ascension Papers this was how I felt about life too. I felt like I kept creating reasons to be here but they never made me really feel like I belonged or like I really WANTED to be here. I kept having these fantasies of how I would “walk out” of this life. How I would leave on a spaceship or exit this world while having an out of body experience. Such things. But now – for me – I feel a profound sense of purpose. I am creating a path forward that I am really loving. Now everything changes for me.
Ann – I don’t know you and I am not in the habit of telling other people about their lives – but just maybe you are waiting to discover you truest, highest, most magnificent purpose. Maybe. I can say there is nothing so exciting as feeling you have that!
But irrespective… it is wonderful having you along on this amazing journey!
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