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MushiMushiMember@jamwolfsky wrote:
Mushimushi, is what we are talking about the difference between Dvaita Vedanta and Advaita vedanta????
Hmmm Well Jam it would seem so…
Its the whole I am God (everything is God) vs. God is a Supreme Being worthy of worship
It is the classic argument of impersonalism (Brahman Realization) (God is all) and personal or Bhagavan realization (Where one sees Lord Vishnu as the Supreme)
The truth according to Vedanta is that both are correct – But one is more correct… I posted a topic “God is a person” where by I discussed this topic…
There are three levels of realization. The first is the easiest… One sees that this life is an illusion and we are tied into it through our actions (Karma) and this realization is open to intellectual speculation. This illusion tells us that the ‘illusory energy’ comes from God and we speculate that we are part of this illusion and we are part of God and so many of us think that we are God, because we have no desire to pursue higher realizations. “I am the master of all I survey” “I create my own future.” Such thoughts are very attractive and many are content with this way of life because we don’t have to do anything rather than live our lives. Just like cats and dogs we are suffering trying to engage in eating, sleeping, mating and defending. But we have intelligence and our inclination is to ask higher questions… Here is where the second step in the ladder of realization comes about; Where we see that we have a divine spark inside that is part of the Supreme. This Spark is the ‘inner voice’ and Vedanta refers to this as Paramatma (Supersoul) . If one meditates on the soul one can realize that “I am the soul I am selecting my body according to my actions”. We choose whether we are going to be dog or a God… If you want to enter into the spiritual world – you need a body like God, just like a fish needs its body to live in the water… So we select our next body at death. Now if one can reach this stage of realization one can see divinity in all life… ONENESS… But oneness for me means realization on this platform… ALL life is made up of the same stuff and is part of God’s 😎 energy… This realization brings one to the Dualistic or Dvaita Vedanta where one acknowledges there is a need of God, which is brought about not by blind faith but by tasting the Sastra and becoming God realized or God conscious – This is brought about through the authoritative knowledge from Guru. One needs to be intelligent to understand and to hear from a realized person in order to understand about God. You need to hear from Bhagavad-Gita and the other transcendental messages and then you can become free from “the game” as you peeps so put it. Sastra says: “With sword in hand intelligent men cut through the labyrinthine knots of reactionary work (karma) by remembering the Lord, therefore who will not pay attention to His message.”
MushiMushiMemberBlergh! I’m confuzzed… 😕
MushiMushiMemberThe Shadow Government is something that is very obvious to all once you have the right channels of information and common sense…
From…
http://cuttingedge.org/n1040.html
Blatantly Obvious…
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23562
To: Ancient Texts as reference…
This video discusses gender equality…
Thought you might like…
Love Mush
MushiMushiMemberSome very hectic info there…
So what will you be doing when the Sh*T hits the fan…? 😉
MushiMushiMemberWell it seems that at the end of the day everything is good, because it is the will of the Supreme… We have choice and this choice leads us on our path back home… All this nefarious one world order being called by the Free Masons and Illuminists is just their role to play in brining about the time when the ‘revelation’ will take place… it has been written, documented and prophecised. So I guess its just gotta happen that way…. you can’t have lemonade without da lemmons 😆
It amazes that all this NWO – antichrist stuff is being spear headed by the ‘heads’ of these secret societies, who control the American Government… I mean. anyone google map’d Washington DC lately? (this may be old news) but do you see the symbols? Barer of light that people may see him as, but Lucifer brings out mans’ most material animalistic natures… To control, dominate, destroy and despise… And those who are working tirelessly to bring about these changes under our noses are doing this with the belief that good is bad is good. There are a lot of stories about this but yeah… I guess its gotta happen…
MushiMushiMemberHappy belated baby Jesus day everyone!!! 😀
Truly one of God’s own Divine representatives walked this planet to teach love of God to the godless…
God Bless 😉
MushiMushiMemberHmmm… all this talk of the Devil makes me wonder if any of you have read this book http://www.lulu.com/content/3828069
Its quiet short and worth a read… 😉
Anyone who enjoyed Zeitgiest would like this book…
Peace Mush
MushiMushiMemberHmmm… that is a very nice interpretation of the Biblical story of the fall of Lucifer. Although I had never heard it portrayed like that… I must say that it is a wonderful way to think of it, as God has given us this duality so that we may experience choice and through our choice we then bring ourselves closer or further from our end goal.
The Veda’s talk of a being that was created by Lord Vishnu called Lord Yamraj, and this being was to be the judge before the soul would take a body on a hellish planet to pay their karmic debt and undergo the cleansing process of suffering. The Vedic cosmology talks of 3 planetary systems… Lower planets, Middle Planets and Higher Planets… On the lower hellish planets there living is of a nature where they suffer. Conditions are very hot or very cold… and in those planets the spirit entity is given a body to facilitate this suffering. Then the middle planetary systems where duality is equipoised. We suffer and enjoy equally based on our actions. Earth is on the middle planetary plane. The finally the higher planets which are the abodes of the demigods, angels and other more subtle higher beings. Birth on these planets is charecterised by long life and enjoyment in blissful states of being. The “rope of duality” as was mentioned in this video spans throughout planetary systems which place themselves on it much like that of a temperature gauge. VERY BAD TO VERY GOOD living conditions. This is what constitutes material existence in the Vedic sense.
MushiMushiMember
Lord Krishna shows His Universal Form
Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu
MushiMushiMember😆 Jam
Well the Veda’s described the caste system many many thousands of years ago and they worked for people of those ages… Back in those by gone days being born into a family meant you would inherit the family trade. IE Soni (Jeweler caste did what they and their fore fathers did best… make Jewelery). Brahmins would study Vedic scripture and perform the nessasary rituals because they were qualified to do so…
However the caste system was abolished many many years ago, as the modern ages the population density of the world makes it unreasonable for anyone to follow strict casting, as there are so many people on this planet compared to way back when, and the age that we are currently in is the MOST FALLEN according to vedic cosmology. So casting does not work nowadays. However it does work… Currently we are being ruled by 4th class Sudra (working class men) and that is why our society is so shot, poverty is a problem and sex life has become a focus of life. Where as if the countries were run by 1st class men like Brahmins, then proper religious practice would be followed and people would be grounded on a solid foundation of spiritual practice. Today it is almost taboo to discuss Godliness because of the fallen condition of the age.
I am fortunate to be part of revolution in vedic consciousness brought about by the mercy of the Godhead Himself, when He incarnated on this planet in the 1500’s AD to abolish caste laws and give His mercy to all and give all the opportunity to become liberated by meditating on the sacred maha mantra. Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare. Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare. His name was Sri Krishna Caitanya Mahaprabhu. He was so merciful that he took to Muslim men as initiated disciples to carry on his Krsna (God) Conscious Cult throught India and abolish the caste system.
I fall into all of the above (on the three realizations) as they are all correct but one is just deeper than the next… There is no right way or wrong way… Just deeper understandings of the same subject matter… God is one… He can’t be two… 😉
Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu
By Stephen KnappSri Caitanya Mahaprabhu [pronounced Chaitanya] (February 27,1486 to 1534 A.D.) was born in Navadvipa, Bengal, on a full moon night during a lunar eclipse. It is typical for people to bathe in the Ganges during an eclipse and chant the Lord’s holy names for spiritual purification. So, everyone in the area was chanting the holy names when He was born. His parents, Jagannatha Misra and Sachidevi, gave Him the name of Vishvambhara, meaning the support of the universe, because astrologers had predicted His super human qualities and that He would deliver the people of the world. He was also nicknamed Nimai because He had been born under a nima tree.
During His childhood He exhibited extraordinary qualities, even having philosophical discussions with His mother. While growing, His brilliant intelligence began to become apparent. While still a child, He mastered Sanskrit and logic to the point of defeating local pundits, and established the truth of His spiritual and Vedic philosophy. He became so well known that many logicians of various religious and philosophical persuasions began to fear His presence and refused to debate with Him. Thus, Sri Caitanya established the authority of the Vaishnava tradition through the process of debate and logic.
Then, when Sri Caitanya went to Gaya on the pretext to perform ceremonies for the anniversary of His father’s death, He received Vaishnava initiation from Ishvara Puri. Thereafter, He lost all interest in debate and simply absorbed Himself in chanting and singing the names of Lord Krishna in devotional ecstasy. Upon returning to Navadvipa, He gathered a following with whom He would engage in congregational singing of the Lord’s holy names. Thus, He started the first sankirtana (congregational devotional singing) movement, and established the importance of chanting the names of God in this age as the most elevated of spiritual processes, and the prime means for liberation from material attachments.
At first, His chanting with people was for the few participants who were a part of His group, but then Sri Caitanya ordered that the ecstasy of love of God be distributed to all people of the area. He gave no recognition for the privileges of caste, or for position, or type of philosophy a person had, or yogic asceticism. He only emphasized the devotional chanting of the Lord’s holy names, using the Hare Krishna mantra (Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare / Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare) which can bring out the natural loving sentiments for God.
It was at the age of 24 when He shaved His head and took the order of sannyasa, the renounced stage of life, when He accepted the name of Krishna Caitanya from Keshava Bharati during the initiation. He then spent four years traveling through South India, and also visited Vrindavana and Varanasi. During this time he also gave special instructions to Rupa and Sanatana Gosvamis, who then also spread the glories of the Divine Love for Radha and Krishna. They settled in Vrindavana where they spent their years in writing many books elaborating the instructions of Lord Caitanya and the glories of bhakti for Radha and Krishna. They also revealed the places where Radha and Krishna performed many varied pastimes in that land of Vrindavana, which have remained special spots where devotees can become absorbed in the bliss of love of Radha and Krishna.
Lord Caitanya spent His remaining years in Jagannatha Puri. During this time He was absorbed in ecstatic devotion to Krishna in the loving mood of Radharani, in which He would lose all external consciousness. He freely distributed the divine nectar of this love for Krishna to everyone and anyone, day and night. Even His presence or mere touch could transform everyone that came near Him into the same devotional mood. He remained like this until He finally left our vision at the age of 48.
Lord Caitanya is considered and was established by Vedic scripture as the most recent incarnation of God. The Lord always descends to establish the codes of religion. This is confirmed in Bhagavad-gita (4.6-8) where Lord Krishna explains that although He is unborn and the Lord of all living beings, He still descends in His spiritual form in order to re-establish the proper religious principles and annihilate the miscreants whenever there is a decline of religion and a rise in irreligious activity.
Though there are many incarnations of God, all incarnations are known and predicted in the Vedic literature. Each incarnation performs many wonderful pastimes. But in Kali-yuga, the Lord descends in the form of His own devotee as Sri Caitanya in order to show the perfect example of how devotional service should be performed, and to stress the chanting of the Hare Krishna mantra for this age by inaugurating the process of the sankirtana movement (congregational chanting).
Predictions of the appearance of Lord Caitanya can be found in many Vedic texts. One of the oldest prophecies concerning Sri Caitanya’s appearance in this world is found in the Atharva-veda verse, starting as: ito ‘ham krita-sannyaso ‘vatarisyami. In this verse the Supreme states: “I will descend as a sannyasi, a tall, fair, and saintly brahmana devotee, after four to five thousand years of Kali-yuga have passed. I will appear on earth near the Ganges shore and with all the signs of an exalted person, free from material desires. I will always chant the holy names of the Lord, and, thus, taste the sweetness of My own devotional service. Only other advanced devotees will understand Me.”
Also, in a verse from the Sama-veda, starting as: tathaham krita-sannyaso bhu-girbanah avatarisye, the Supreme Being says that He will descend to earth as a brahmana-sannyasi at a place on the shore of the Ganges. Again and again He will chant the names of the Lord in the company of His associates to rescue the people who are devoured by sins in the age of Kali.
The Mundaka Upanishad (3.3) also relates the prophecy of Sri Caitanya in a different way. It states, “When one realizes the golden form of Lord Gauranga, who is the ultimate actor and the source of the Supreme Brahman, he attains the highest knowledge. He transcends both pious and impious activities, becomes free from worldly bondage, and enters the divine abode of the Lord.”
Another prophecy of the appearance of Sri Caitanya is found in two verses in the Bhavishya Purana. It states:
ajayadhvamaja yadhvam na sansayah
kalau sankirtana rambhe bhavisyami saci sutah“The Supreme Lord said: ‘In Kali-yuga, I will appear as the son of Saci, and inaugurate the sankirtana movement. There is no doubt about this.’”
anandasru-kala-roma-harsa-purnam tapo-dhana
sarve mam eva draksyanti kalau sannyasa-rupinam“O sage whose wealth is austerity, in the Kali-yuga everyone will see My form as a sannyasi, a form filled with tears of bliss and bodily hairs standing erect in ecstasy.”
Another is from the Svetasvatara Upanishad (3.12): “Mahaprabhu [the great master], the Supreme Being, is brilliantly effulgent and imperishable like molten gold, and [through sankirtana] bestows spiritual intelligence on the living beings. In the guise of a sannyasi, He is the source of spiritual purity and liberation.” Another is from the Vayu Purana: “In the age of Kali I shall descend as the son of Sachidevi to inaugurate the sankirtana movement.” This is also confirmed in the Srimad-Bhagavatam (11.5.32) where it states: “In the age of Kali, intelligent persons perform congregational chanting to worship the incarnation of Godhead who constantly sings the names of Krishna. Although His complexion is not blackish [like that of Lord Krishna], He is Krishna Himself. He is accompanied by His associates, servants, weapons and confidential companions.”The great classic Mahabharata (Vishnu-sahasra-nama-stotra, 127.92.75) confirms that Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu is not different from Lord Sri Krishna: “The Supreme Lord has a golden complexion [when He appears as Lord Caitanya]. Indeed, His entire body, which is very nicely constituted, is like molten gold. Sandalwood pulp is smeared all over His body. He will take the fourth order of life [sannyasa] and will be very self-controlled. He will be distinguished from Mayavadi sannyasis in that He will be fixed in devotional service and will propagate the sankirtana movement.”
The Caitanya-caritamrita (Adi-lila, 3.19-20) also explains how the Supreme Lord Himself describes how He will appear as His own devotee to perform and teach devotional service by inaugurating the sankirtana movement, which is the religion for this age.
How He is the “great master” or will “bestow spiritual intelligence” is described in another Upanishad. This is one of the lesser Upanishads known as the Chaitanyopanishad, or Sri Caitanya Upanishad. This comes from the ancient Atharva Veda. In this description there is not only the prediction of His appearance but a description of His life and purpose, and the reasons why His process of spiritual enlightenment is so powerful and effective in this age of Kali. The Chaitanyopanishad is a short text with only nineteen verses. All of them are very significant.
The Sri Caitanya Upanishad (texts 5-11) explains that one day when Pippalada asked his father, Lord Brahma, how the sinful living entities will be delivered in Kali-yuga and who should be the object of their worship and what mantra should they chant to be delivered, Brahma told him to listen carefully and he would describe what will take place in the age of Kali. Brahma said that the Supreme Lord Govinda, Krishna, will appear again in Kali-yuga as His own devotee in a two-armed form with a golden complexion in the area of Navadvipa along the Ganges. He will spread the system of devotional service and the chanting of the names of Krishna, especially in the form of the Hare Krishna maha-mantra; Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare/Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare.
Another interesting story about the prediction of the appearance of Lord Caitanya in Kali-yuga is related in a lengthy conversation between Murari Gupta and Damodara Pandita, two contemporaries of Sri Caitanya. It is found in the Sri Caitanya Mangala, a biography of Sri Caitanya by Srila Locana Dasa Thakura. Among the many things they discuss are the symptoms and difficulties found in the age of Kali, how Lord Krishna appears on earth in this age, His confidential reasons for doing so, and how He revealed to Narada Muni His form as Lord Gauranga that He would accept while appearing on earth in this age. In this form He would distribute love of God to everyone He met by chanting the holy names. This conversation is very enlightening.
Within this conversation they further relate an incident recorded as the Vishnu-Katyayani Samvada of the Padma Purana. This is a conversation between Lord Vishnu and Katyayani (Parvati), Lord Shiva=s wife. The story is that one time the great sage Narada Muni acquired the maha-prasada, personal food remnants, of Lord Narayana, Vishnu, and gave a morsel to his friend Lord Shiva. Shiva tasted it and he began to dance in ecstasy, to the point of disturbing the earth. When he was approached by Parvati about why he was dancing so, he explained what happened. However, she was unhappy and angry that he did not share any with her. Being devoted to Lord Vishnu and concerned for the spiritual well-being of all conditioned souls, she then vowed that if she should get the blessings of Lord Vishnu, she would see to it that the Lord=s maha-prasada was distributed to everyone. Just then Lord Vishnu Himself appeared and conversed with her. He assured her that He would appear in the world as Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu in the age of Kali and would keep her promise and spread His mercy in the form of maha-prasada, food that has been offered to Him, and the chanting of His holy names to everyone, distributing His mercy everywhere.
Another book is the Sri Hari-bhakti-vilasa by Sanatana Gosvami. Sanatana lived about 500 years ago in Vrindavana, India and was a great scholar of the Vedic scripture. A portion of the book contains an anthology of an amazing assortment of verses from the Vedic texts which predict the appearance of Lord Caitanya. Besides some of the quotes we have already cited, he includes verses from such texts as the Chandogya Upanishad, Krishna Upanishad, Narada Purana, Kurma Purana, Garuda Purana, Devi Purana, Nrisimha Purana, Padma Purana, Brahma Purana, Agni Purana, Saura Purana, Matsya Purana, Vayu Purana, Markandeya Purana, Varaha Purana, Vamana Purana, Vishnu Purana, Skanda Purana, Upapuranas, Narayana-Samhita, Krishna-yamala, Brahma-yamala, Vishnu-yamala, Yoga-vasistha, and the Tantras, such as Urdhvamnaya-tantra, Kapila Tantra, Visvasara Tantra, Kularnava Tantra, and others.
These and other predictions confirm the fact that Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu would appear to specifically propagate the chanting of the holy names. Furthermore, in the Fourth Chapter of the Antya-lila of the Caitanya Bhagavata, which is a biography of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu written by Sri Vrindavan dasa Thakura who is said to be an incarnation of Srila Vyasadeva, Lord Caitanya explains: “I have appeared on earth to propagate the congregational chanting of the holy names of God. In this way I will deliver the sinful material world. Those demons who never before accepted My authority and lordship will weep in joy by chanting My names. I will vigorously distribute devotional service, bhakti, which is sought after even by demigods, sages, and perfected beings, so that even the most abominable sinners will receive it. But those who, intoxicated with education, wealth, family background, and knowledge, criticize and offend My devotees, will be deprived of everything and will never know My true identity.” Then Sri Caitanya specifically states (Antya-lila 4.126): “I declare that My name will be preached in every town and village on this earth.”
This verifies the fact that the chanting of the maha-mantra is the rare and special opportunity given by God for all to be relieved from the problems of the age of Kali and of material life in general. As confirmed in the Caitanya-caritamrita (Adi-lila, 3.77-78), it is Sri Krishna Caitanya who inaugurates the congregational chanting of the holy names, which is the most sublime of all spiritual sacrifices. Intelligent people will worship Him through this means, while other foolish people will continue in the cycle of repeated birth and death in this material world.
In another place of the Caitanya-caritamrita (Antya-lila, 20.8-9), Sri Caitanya specifically tells Svarupa Damodara and Ramananda Raya that chanting the holy names is the most practical way to attain salvation from material existence in this age, and anyone who is intelligent and takes up this process of worshiping Krishna will attain the direct shelter of Krishna.
He also strongly opposed the impersonalist philosophy of Shankaracharya and established the principle of acintya-bhedabheda-tattva. This specified that the Supreme and the individual soul are inconceivably and simultaneously one and different. This means that the Supreme and the jiva souls are the same in quality, being eternally spiritual, but always separate individually. The jivas are small and subject to being influenced by the material energy, while the Supreme is infinite and always above and beyond the material manifestation.
Sri Caitanya taught that the direct meaning of the Vedic shastras is that the living entities are to engage in devotional service, bhakti, to the Supreme, Bhagavan Sri Krishna. Through this practice there can develop a level of communication between God and the individual by which God will lovingly reveal Himself to those who become qualified. In this understanding the theistic philosophy of Vaishnavism reached its climax.
As previously explained, there is a system of self-realization especially recommended for each age. In the age of Kali, people are not attracted to spiritual pursuits and are often rebellious against anything that seems to restrict or stifle their freedom to do anything they want. Since in this age we are so easily distracted by so many things and our mind is always in a whirl, we need an easy path. Therefore, the Vedic shastra explains that God has given us an easy way to return to Him in this age. It is almost as if He has said, “Since you are My worst son, I give you the easiest process.” The Caitanya-caritamrita (Adi-lila, 3.40) confirms this and says that the Supreme Being descends as Sri Caitanya, with a golden complexion, to simply spread the glories of chanting the holy names, which is the only religious principle in this age of Kali. In this way, God Himself has given the method of chanting His holy names as the most effective means to reach His spiritual abode.
Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu did not become much involved in writing. In fact, He only wrote eight verses, but His followers compiled extensive Sanskrit literature that documented His life and fully explained His teachings. For more complete descriptions and elaborations on His life, activities, and philosophy, as written by His close associates, these books that you can order are presently available through various outlets.
MushiMushiMember@echo – I fully agree with what you are saying, RE: God and Nature. As Vedanta shows, our spirits can incarnate even as plant life or animal and insect life. After all these things are living breathing, mating, sleeping entities as well… and what makes them different from us and the core spirit level that we have been discussing.
I found the post by Will very inspirational and all and all a good read as it brings one closer to understanding the true nature of the Supreme. I do find however that with our own realizations, we often miss the mark as we are trying to explain something from our own perspective (I guess it works for some people) but I would rather hear the truth from someone who has been there, has studied and realized and seen the truth first hand. Rather that then continue on a path of speculating. Not to say that your realizations are wrong or anything… They are wholly correct, but there are gaps in your theory (as with most) that beckon further investigation. “God is an attraction”… Yes He most certainly is the most attractive 😀 In the Veda’s Bhagavan Sri Krishna is known as “The All Attractive One”. Because He is the one who steals the hearts and minds of those near and dear to Him. When you talk about energy flows and the like, you make things complicated for that which has such ‘human’ propensity. I mean; we don’t try to explain the act of love by the various endorphins and the amount of seratonin that is being released into the spinal column… No we feel love… It is very natural and safe… This human touch through which God has the propensity to compel us to love Him, occurs through nature and appreciation for creation (Thats how I got hooked) and then slowly He begins to show us more about Himself as we become more and more God conscious and we start to develop a relationship with Him. He listens to us and reciprocates immediately. We are never lost to him because He resides in each of our hearts. No exclusions… All of manifested life contains God’s Divine spark.
The question for me has always really been… “Well yes I know God is very real… I know He is all encompassing, omnipresent, primeval, and eternal and full of Love, Bliss, Knowledge and compassion… But who is He?” Where does He come from?” “What does He do all eternity?” “And how did I end up here of all places? Why am I not with Him anymore?” I wished and prayed for a realization to give me the answers I was looking for… And I found all of them and many man more in Vedanta. I also completely agree with what the author of Will’s article says when he talks against ritualistic sacrifice to the demigods. As God is not in need of such things. All He really requires is our Love, Devotion and Attention. When the mind becomes fixed on Him, body becomes spiritualized and then we will attain Him.
I look forward to that day 😀
December 17, 2008 at 10:46 pm in reply to: Flying Aircraft and Nuclear War and Other Strange Occurences #11547MushiMushiMemberWell I would like to say thank you for hosting such a wonderful site where one can come and discuss matters that really matter 😀
And for being part of the transformation to higher consciousness… We need as many spiritual warriors as we can find on this planet…
I do however find it amusing that we seem to be so caught up in the illusory energy that we forget ourselves and wish to be ruled by ego and lower vibrations. So much so that we are capable of making the same mistakes over and over. But hey, many elevated species who are in direct contact with the Supreme Energy, fall into this illusion. So we shouldn’t be hard on ourselves. After all we are living in a very exciting time, and we have the propensity to usher in a new era of higher frequency.
I think man forgets that recorded history is but a drop in the ocean of time on this planet… We think that we are so advanced, when actually we have become less intelligent than ages past. Because of our ability to understand physics and natural sciences we think that we can become God and sometimes we like to play God (http://www.wisdomofsolomon.com/bigbang.html) But like the lost civilization of Atlantis, our ego will be our own downfall… They tried to play God and lost everything… Science makes room for speculation based on the ability to witness with imperfect senses. And this speculation will be the downfall of man. They seem to think that because they can not prove the existence soul, of the Supreme and of other subtle matters they do not exist. But luckily quantum physics succeeds in making room for a ‘God factor’ and slowly but surely those who have been let down by religion are waking up to their constitutional position as eternal spirit body. Going back into the Self rather than dry speculation with their imperfect senses.
We must be careful not too fall into the same traps as those before us and get ahead of ourselves. After all we are the most degraded age as per Vedanta. It is said that before the Veda’s were transcribed by Srila Vasuveda, they were spoken by men and women of the highest intellect, through a unbroken chain of diciplic succession. They were however placed onto parchment, as the scribe knew that our intellect would fall in this age of Kali. I mean we can’t even remember a friend or relatives birthday without a calendar, not even to speak of what day it is or where we left our keys. Let alone memorize something as complex as the Veda’s.
Who knows maybe it is due to our fallen condition that we are doomed to relive these civilization extinctions and rebirths…? But yes it is fun for the most part 😉 – what goes up…
MushiMushiMember@Annu wrote:
Hare Krishna
You dont seems to understand the THING…It failed. It was like it will be visible for 3 days. I dont by that thing like you know I feel much energy around mee…
This is to point to laugh if IF if DO NOT KNOW a b c spiritual understanding. Including Meyer and Wilkock.To pinch ONE or a FEW layers with something so called paranormal is nothing compering with A B C what Bhagavatam PURANA claims reveals etc. Look just what kind of being speaks there???
Conclusion
They failed. No more this and that.PERIOD!HariBoL,
Dear person, the THING is THIS: Everything is ALWAYS Perfect. You will do well to understand this concept.
He even explained where these conversations started in the first place…go there and read for yourself. Mike Quincey and his shit ‘chennellings are usless. They failed they have been in the hands of demonic entities for a long time undcovered in disgys. Wake up Zingdad.
Read Bhagavatam Purana right NOW see for your self how really goes in Univers. You can find ALL subordination…
Bill Meyer too said that many chennelers are shitzofrenics and possesd humans…
Please refrain from pushing your DOGMA on our forums. DOGMA is not TRUTH. Individual perception is. You may state your views, but realize that “demonic entities” are your perception alone. Not mine, and not many others. You may decide for yourself to believe or disbelieve in a channelers messages, but do not assume that this is the perception of others. You do not hold the truth for others. Please watch your tone and find a centered balance and unconditional love for All that Is which encompasses all beings in all stages on the path home to Love.
You will do well to consider this if you wish to continue posting in the Comm-Unity of Light. Please be a part of the Universal mind…not opposing to it.
Perhaps it is YOU who should go and read Bhagavatam Purana, as it clearly states this of perception within it’s pages. Ignorance is not godliness brother. Wake up yourself, as it is you who acts in separatism to the whole, thereby degenerating your own code of living with hypocrisy and unrighteous indignation.
Peace & Love to you on your path forward,
AnnuI would just like to point out that such behavior is against the teachings of Dharma Haribol, and you should know better… being a disciple of His Divine Grace AC Bhativedanta Swami Prabhupada. You tone and anger is not becoming at all of a Vaisnava; who believe everyone will reach the Absolute Truth at their own time.
Your anger in these threads towards people who have not read and understood the intricacies of such immortal gems as the Shimad Bhagavatam is not very merciful on the fallen conditioned soul’s, myself included. Shimad Bhagavatam resides in the heart of all living entities. It is the eternal seed of loving service to the Supreme. These people are using their mystic talents for doing good and healing an already beaten world on the brink of extinction. These people; some may believe that they are God. We know this can not be as they can not create the ant or tree or bird, but they do create a world for others like you and myself to live in. Their actions are harmless and are earnestly for the good of humanity at large. However I do wish to add that such people should live a life of Ahimsa in the least as violence begets violence and killing another living entity for satisfaction of your tongue goes against all Dharmic practice. So I would urge you all to follow this Ahimsa is you are serious about making a change in the world. Rather than sit on bulletin board and talk about change… Be change… Make a difference.
Everything is always perfect. Lord Krishna states that “Not even a blade of grass moves without the sanction of the Supreme…” So yes everything is always in complete state of Universal Cosmic Perfection. As the Supreme is perfect and so are His laws as He is the law giver. If your car gets stolen, then it is the will of the Supreme to take your car away and give that Karma (no pun) to someone else… The Universe functions on Karma (Cause and Effect). Many of these peeps on this forum are impersoanlists who see the Universe as the all pervading all encompassing God Force – AUM or Source Energy. This realization is not incorrect, but there are more aspects to God than is not in their grasp of understanding. They also see the Divinity in others… Lord Sri Krishna asks that we see God in all living entities as He is present in His form of paramatma (Super Soul) residing in the hearts of ALL living entities. (another reason for Ahimsa). Bhagavan realization if only for those who are ready for such realizations. Developing a intimate relationship with the Supreme Person is something that takes many lifetimes to cultivate as is state in Bhagavad-Gita when Lord Krishna says out of many thousands who endever One may succeed in known Me… So this shows us that such Bhagavan realization is very difficult and can only be attained through reading the Bhagavatam and Chanting the Holy Names of God. So please do not give Hare Krishna’s a bad name… I know many devotees who are the most incredible spiritual seekers and Divine Souls.
The strange thing is that many of the realizations (if not all) given here by these seekers of the Truth are found in Dharma (Vedanta Sutras) But they have not been privy to such teachings through association of pure devotees and Spiritual Masters Like His Divine Grace Swami Prabhupada and his diciples… They have had to figure out these truths all by themselves and have done a wonderful job of tapping into their mystic abilities and yogic practices.
Seekers please understand that Dharma is NOT another DOGMA… it is Universal Truth as spoken by the Supreme Person. And you use this Dharma on your day to day, to explain many things about yourselves to eachother and to guide loved ones to the light of knowledge… You are intelligent… But not so intelligent that you can be God. You create, but you can not create what is already been created for you by the Supreme. UFO’s, Aliens, Spirit bodies, faeries, pixies, cupids, giants, blah blah blah… they ALL exist, because we can not create anything that has not already been created by the Supreme. If you can concieve of something it exists. That is the law of Quantum Physics, the law of desire… Lord Krishna says that what ever the conditioned soul desires. He fulfills… So these people wish to channel, the Lord opens up those channels. EVERYTHING is sanctioned by Him, and thus everything is in complete Karmic balance.
There is no right way or wrong way only reaction equaled to the energy exerted… everything eventually returns to its Origin
We all live in the illusion together, and it is very easy to get out… but we enjoy it too much to let go just yet… Only when one comes to the platform of realization where He or She says that they only want the Supreme then their desire is right and they will meet the Supreme. Until then the illusion (Maya) carries us on her back into the future.
December 17, 2008 at 6:51 am in reply to: Flying Aircraft and Nuclear War and Other Strange Occurences #11544MushiMushiMemberUFOs and Vimanas
By Stephen Knapp
In supplying information about the advancements of Vedic science, the subject of Vedic airplanes, vimanas, is almost in a classification of its own. Some of this information is so amazing that for some people it may border science fiction. Nonetheless, as we uncover and explain it, it provides serious food for thought.
First of all we need to understand that the Vedic conception of universal time is divided into different periods. For example, a period called one day of Brahma is equivalent to 4,320,000,000 of our years on earth. Brahma’s night is equally as long and there are 360 of such days and nights in one year of Brahma. Each day of Brahma is divided into one thousand cycles of four yugas, namely Satya-yuga, Treta-yuga, Dvapara-yuga, and finally the Kali-yuga, which is the yuga we are presently experiencing. Satya-yuga lasts 1,728,000 years, and is an age of purity when all residents live very long lives and can be fully developed in spiritual understanding and mystical abilities and remarkable powers. Some of these abilities, or mystic siddhis, include changing one’s shape, becoming very large or microscopically small, becoming very heavy or even weightless, securing any desirable thing, becoming free of all desires, or even flying through the sky to wherever one wanted to go on one’s own volition. So at that time, the need for mechanical flying machines was not necessary.
As the yugas continued, the purity of the people, along with their mystical abilities, decreased by 25% in each age. The age of Treta-yuga lasts 1,296,000 years. During that age, the minds of humanity became more dense, and the ability for understanding the higher spiritual principles of the Vedic path was also more difficult. Naturally, the ability to fly through the sky by one’s own power was lost. After Treta-yuga, Dvapara-yuga lasts 864,000 years, and Kali-yuga lasts 432,000 years, of which 5,000 have now already passed. At the end of Kali-yuga, the age of Satya-yuga starts again and the yugas continue through another cycle. One thousand such cycles is one day of Brahma. Now that we are in Kali-yuga, almost all spiritual understanding disappears, and whatever mystical abilities that remain are almost insignificant.
It is explained that it was not until the beginning of Treta-yuga that the development of vimanas took place. In fact, Lord Brahma, the chief demigod and engineer of the universe, is said to have developed several vimanas for some of the other demigods. These were in various natural shapes that incorporated the use of wings, such as peacocks, eagles, swans, etc. Other vimanas were developed for the wiser human beings by great seers of Vedic knowledge.
In the course of time, there were three basic types of vimanas. In Treta-yuga, men were adept in mantras or potent hymns. Thus, the vimanas of that age were powered by means of knowledge of mantras. In Dvapara-yuga, men had developed considerable knowledge of tantra, or ritual. Thus, the vimanas of Dvapara-yuga were powered by the use of tantric knowledge. In Kali-yuga, knowledge of both mantra and tantra are deficient. Thus, the vimanas of this age are known as kritaka, artificial or mechanical. In this way, there are three main types of vimanas, Vedic airplanes, according to the characteristics of each yuga.
Of these three types, there is listed 25 variations of the mantrika vimanas, 56 variations of the tantrica vimanas, and 25 varieties of the kritakaah vimanas as we find today in Kali-yuga. However, in regard to the shape and construction, there is no difference between any of these vimanas, but only in how they were powered or propelled, which would be by mantras, tantras, or mechanical engines.
The controversial text known as Vimaanika Shastra, said to be by Maharshi Bharadwaja, also describes in detail the construction of what is called the mercury vortex engine. This is no doubt of the same nature as the Vedic Ion engine that is propelled by the use of mercury. Such an engine was built by Shivkar Bapuji Talpade, based on descriptions in the Rig-veda, which he demonstrated in Mumbai (Bombay), India in 1895. I more fully explained this in Chapter Three of this volume. Additional information on the mercury engines used in the vimanas can be found in the ancient Vedic text called the Samarangana Sutradhara. This text also devotes 230 verses to the use of these machines in peace and war. We will not provide the whole description of the mercury vortex engine here, but we will include a short part of William Clendenon’s translation of the Samarangana Sutradhara from his 1990 book, Mercury, UFO Messenger of the Gods:
“Inside the circular air frame, place the mercury-engine with its electric/ultrasonic mercury boiler at the bottom center. By means of the power latent in the mercury which sets the driving whirlwind in motion, a man sitting inside may travel a great distance in the sky in a most marvelous manner. Four strong mercury containers must be built into the interior structure. When those have been heated by controlled fire from iron containers, the vimana develops thunder-power through the mercury. At once it becomes like a pearl in the sky.”
This provides a most simplistic idea of the potential of the mercury engines. This is one kind of a propulsion mechanism that the vimanas of Kali-yuga may use. Other variations are also described. Not only do these texts contain directions on how to make such engines, but they also have been found to contain flight manuals, aerial routes, procedures for normal and forced landings, instructions regarding the condition of the pilots, clothes to wear while flying, the food to bring and eat, spare parts to have, metals of which the craft needs to be made, power supplies, and so on. Other texts also provide instructions on avoiding enemy craft, how to see and hear what occupants are saying in enemy craft, how to become invisible, and even what tactics to use in case of collisions with birds. Some of these vimanas not only fly in the sky, but can also maneuver on land and fly into the sea and travel under water.
There are many ancient Vedic texts that describe or contain references to these vimanas, including the Ramayana, Mahabharata, Rig-veda, Yajur-veda, Atharva-veda, the Yuktilkalpataru of Bhoja (12th century A.D.), the Mayamatam (attributed to the architect Maya), plus other classic Vedic texts like the Satapathya Brahmana, Markandeya Purana, Vishnu Purana, Bhagavata Purana, the Harivamsa, the Uttararamcarita, the Harsacarita, the Tamil text Jivakacintamani, and others. From the various descriptions in these writings, we find vimanas in many different shapes, including that of long cigars, blimp-like, saucer-shapes, triangular, and even double-decked with portholes and a dome on top of a circular craft. Some are silent, some belch fire and make noise, some have a humming noise, and some disappear completely.
These various descriptions are not unlike the reports of UFOs that are seen today. In fact, David Childress, in his book Vimana Aircraft of Ancient India & Atlantis, provides many reports, both recent and from the last few hundred years, that describe eye witness accounts of encounters with UFOs that are no different in size and shape than those described in these ancient Vedic texts. Plus, when the pilots are seen close up, either fixing their craft or stepping outside to look around, they are human-like, sometimes with a Oriental appearance, in clothes that are relatively modern in style. In other reports, we have read where the craft may have alien type beings on board along with ordinary humans navigating the craft.
Does this mean that these are ancient vimanas that still exist today? Are they stored in some underground caverns somewhere? Or are they simply modern-built, using the ancient designs as described in the Vedic texts? The UFOs that have been seen around the world may not be from some distant galaxy, but may be from a secret human society, or even military installation. However, many of the Vedic texts do describe interplanetary travel. So even if these space machines are from some other planet, they may be using the same principles of propulsion that have already been described in the universal Vedic literature. The answer awaits us.
(This article is from: http://www.stephen-knapp.com)
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