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Wow, that is one very intense ride, Wanderer! Love it!

Orissa, perfect find for those who’ll want to get up to speed with the speeding-up changes 😎

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Welcome Lars 😀
Personally, I’ve discussed many things with the odd bottle of wine… 😆
Glad you are here.

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Bets are on! This is from casinobeacon:

Blossom Backs Up Prediction With UFO Bets
13 October 2008

Bookies William Hill are bracing themselves for a possible out of this world million pound plus payout should Blossom Goodchild’s prediction that a massive UFO will appear on Tuesday be proved correct.

On top of a massive £1,000 bet placed by Lawrence Tout of Wiltshire which will win him £1million, William Hill have also accepted bets on behalf of Blossom’s family with her Surrey based niece Rebecca Simpson placing £100 and her step daughter Kelly Mosedale wagering £50.

“We are slightly nervous but hopeful that Blossom is proved incorrect. We will be keeping our eyes on the skies over the next twenty four hours.” said William Hill spokesman Rupert Adams.

“We have always been apprehensive of space based bets ever since we paid out the equivalent of millions when Neil Armstrong landed on the Moon in 1969.”

The official wording of the bets have been that George Bush or Gordon Brown will confirm the current existence of intelligent extra-terrestrial life within the next year and William Hill have cut the price from 1000/1 to 100/1.

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Thanks for all your responses, Neiru. Sounds like some interesting stories you’re writing… for publication, for sharing on the site?

I shall watch your thread with interest.
Peace.

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@Neiru2012 wrote:

the idea that you can only know someone by fighting them or seeing how they react in extreme situations…Yet it can also be the “silence” of perfect concentration and reflexive instinct in the midst of chaos.

😆 And I can attest that 4-year-olds are masters at teaching this! 😯

To me confusion, as it relates to the Manifest, is a sacred state of destabalizing forms. It unsettles rigid patterns to make room for the next level of truth.

Yes, I too see it as shattering rigidity… most beneficial for entrenched belief patterns which cause stagnation.

I there an “idea” of Void in the Void? No. Can Manifest beings have an idea of what Void is? Yes. Will it be accurate? No, lol, but god knows we try anyway. So then the “idea of Void” is a Manifest attempt to conceptualize Void, inspired by filtered Void energy.

Understood. Do you see there being an Idea from which Void originates? The relatively puny mental capacity of amnesic incarnate Being creates the idea of something from which Void emanates, conventionally called “God”. However, I think the greater understanding would be that Void is Self-aware (with a capital S) and therefore generative of itself. This all gets into chicken-or-egg kind of reasoning, doesn’t it… but I am interested in your cosmology, so please, if you would, describe the relationship between Void and Field?

Yes, Void is beyond mind so “thought” is misleading except as a placeholder for a vastly different type of consciousness…”Possibility”? That is what it does for the Manifest…(to me “ego” is the sense of self, the seat of power, the thing gives perspective and allows expression as an individual by distinguishing itself from others)

Thought = That which finishes the phrase “I AM …” (To me, in these terms, Void would be simply expressed as “I AM.”)
Possibility = Potential
I am in agreement with your meaning of ego… it is a wily thing and a brilliant teacher, when it’s recognized as that.

Maybe you would understand it better as “friction.” It is the Void’s means of energy sharing/exchange and experience of bliss. I call it “fighting” because they do this in a way that feels very violent and aggressive to Manifest beings… and because if they should try it towards a Manifest being, the Manifest being would be annihilated either instantly or very painfully.

Always aggressive and painful? Can it not also be a dance? Can it not also be surrender?

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See you on board, Jilly! 😉 😆

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Project Camelot has interviews of both Dean and Stone, which you can find archived here, under “Interviews and Reports”.

Excellent find, Orissa 😎

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There is only Now, so if you can’t join in during the actual group meditation, you can always set the intention that your energies join in at the appropriate point in time. 😉

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Ah, language gains clarity around these ideas! This is like a FAQ 😛
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I can speak for myself that if you put me into a calm, tame, safe (in the sense of preserving forms) environment it drives me insane and I feel as though it can kill me. I thrive in conflict, catalyst, motion, momentum.

😆 I do understand that!
To one who fears Chaos, however, it is perfect… 😎

I know the “zero point” of this universe and I feel the chaos of Void, but I haven’t experienced anything beyond either the Manifest or the Void, so can’t comment on it. Void is abstract enough and I don’t expect to try to understand realities incomprehensible even to Void until I’m fully in the Void.

My husband and I were talking about this today. He said it’s like when men are in the thick of battle, in total chaos… time slows way down, there is nothing but silence and confusion. This, I see, regarding what you say, is akin to entering the void… at least, a tangible example from the 3D world. Much valuable knowledge has been buried that was known to warriors of old, especially the matriarchal warrior cultures, about entering the battlefield of Chaos, death, and transcendence.

Void is already beyond space and time, it is already a wholly other level of pattern and beyond form. It is already the formless potential from which souls and worlds are born, where darkness becomes aware of light (incarnates as the Manifest or becomes a hybrid) and light returns to darkness. What you are describing isn’t beyond Void, but Void is beyond what you are describing.

Okay, I am reaching clarity on your definition of these words. Do you see there being an idea of Void? If so, do you see that as generated from within the Void, a response of the Manifest to the Void? “Idea” is both generated and generative…

I see Dark as an expression of Void into form, but I see Light as the definition of the Manifest.

I see both Dark and Light as sourcing from Void. “Manifest” is getting in my way… is not Dark also manifest?

Experiments of a formless source? The Void is already formless and the source of Manifest worlds, so that’s misleading… The Source beyond Void? That’s confusing to me.

Experiments of a formless source = Consciousness creating from Void
Source = Field
I do not see Source as a point, that is too definite a geometry. Given the programming we are generously provided on all levels in this world, it is easy to become trapped in a sense of linearity, but that cannot work when you’re talking about consciousness on the scale you have here. So…

I don’t really organize my cosmology as originating from a central “Source” except the one that exists holographically in everything. I see it more as a mass consciousness field that collectively organizes the multiverse into various expressions, and layers of expression, as the need for them arises.

… yes, the word Field works better there.

That state of “being,” is chaos, destruction, power, bloodlust, fighting, freedom and, of course, formlessness.

I see Void as That in which matter breaks down into particulate, elemental, sublime thought… or, to get beyond mind, possibility. I understand all the words you use here except for “fighting”, unless that can be translated as the impulse/force/act of breaking bonds of form-in-resistance. Can you elaborate on that aspect of Void? To me, fighting implies some kind of egoic state, and form entering the Void would experience no resistance. Forms of Light and Forms of Dark–I can see them fighting, but to me, all surrenders to deconstruction and return to potential within Void, consciousness returning to consciousness. I can, however, understand “fighting” as an explosive reaction, like antagonistic chemicals in contact going kaboom. I’m translating my understanding into your vocabulary, so bear with me! Here’s a bit of writing on the subject which I channeled a year or so ago:

“From the beginning of your universe, all of creation balances itself. All things are of a nature which seeks balance, harmony and simplicity. All things are of a fractal nature, too. The anchor to the boat of seeming balance is a page of nonsensical mathematical formulas cascading over the edge of reason and sanity. Rising from the depths of the ocean it powers across is a leviathan against which no vessel can maintain balance: Chaos, satisfied only with distance, power and ramming itself as deeply as it can into a love-doubting area of consciousness. Humans do not understand the outside influence Chaos remains long after your attention has become fixed on marauding distractions. If you did, you would remain a staunch, cozy ally to raggedy old Chaos and have a nothing-but-random attitude yourself. It is the only way to maintain sanity in the multi-dimensional universe you are about to discover.”

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This thread weaves some complementary themes to this one, Farewell to Power.

I guess I have to disagree with that thread’s definition of “power,” just like I disagree with most definitions of “ego.” Power in Washington? Power over others? That is not the “power” that the Void stands for. The Void’s power is “emanation of Self.”

I was just suggesting that your viewpoint might be helpful in the discussion there. 🙄 😉

I have probably taken up enough of this thread with my musings on the subject for a while! 😆 Thank you for your patient responses!

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Language is a tricky thing, when talking about absolutes.

My first question to you, Neiru, is what do you see as the Void’s stance/response toward Order? To me, that could be, if not a subset of fear, then some relative of it, because order can be seen as a disturbance of chaos. I am very interested in how you present this, as it is something I have been writing in depth about. It’s a fascinating mind-bender, all this, as fear can be used as both sword and shield… as can ego, which is, perhaps, a child of fear.

It is not the Void that I was saying was still, but That Which Is beyond the Void, and beyond Light. Beyond chaos and beyond order is a point of perfect stillness which exists outside of space and time and therefore well beyond the limits of language. A concept akin or identical to zero point. Beyond form, movement, desire. The point where a fractal jumps to another level of pattern, when ordered frequency vibrates itself out of form, and chaos becomes… what, help me here… um, potential? I’ll stick with that for now… at that point, that’s the stillness I am referring to. Formless potential. The womb at the point when the soul enters the fetus, where light exists in darkness and that is its experience, while darkness becomes aware of light growing within it.

Manifest light I do see as “stillness,” in the sense of stagnation… because that’s one of my definitions of “stillness.”

How do you define light in stagnation here? Coherent light is ordered in phase, so any stagnation would, to me, be either the unexpected introduction of chaos (light not knowing how to respond to dark, in shock), light closing off any introduction of chaos as a creative force, or phase shift in between levels of engaged awareness. Do you see it as form, crystalline or otherwise? Or as Bill Hicks said, energy condensed to a slow vibration?

Perhaps as Will used “malevolence” earlier, I use the words fear, hatred and war because this conversation is unfolding in front of the eyes of many whose sole definition of darkness has been programmed to use such words. Many bandy about the word “light” like it’s all fairy-dust and sunshine, but light is a much broader spectrum than that. Some people think the dark’s all about satanic bloodsucking ritual, which it is not, at least I don’t think that’s the baby’s experience in the womb. Dark also encompasses Mother, Yin, Earth, and god knows we’ve had enough propaganda linking all that to the nasty old devil. That kind of thinking has to be abandoned, or at least put aside, for understanding to unfold.

Also you speak about light and dark as if they exist on the same playing field [this is one way you can read it]. The way I see things, light and dark do, but Manifest and Void do not… and dark comes from Void. They are not two sides of the same coin to me. All things may ultimately be one, but for the sake of how the multiverse was set up, they are forces designed for very different things and it is hard to compare them directly.

So, to your thinking, are light and dark expressions (and as such able to be perceived by form) of Manifest and Void, which are themselves experiments of a formless source? I see a progression kind of like, a source/consciousness/OM (for lack of a better word), then potential/dark/Void, then form/light/Manifest, then experience of a section of a continuum, the edges perceived as light and dark. Oh, semantics within dimension 🙄

This thread weaves some complementary themes to this one, Farewell to Power.

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Oh, I’ve channeled Klingon-types… well, demons and dragons and such. Always very enlightening. And I could have considered it “antagonistic”, I suppose, if I had been holding onto certain beliefs about how a being of light or dark or any discarnate entity should behave. My guides have teased me when I was being particularly hardheaded, and I have taken that to be antagonism, but then I reached understanding and deeper love. Kind of like when (and as a parent I am learning this every day) a parent acts in a way that is deeply loving and caring for a child, and the child perceives it as antagonism. But the parent knows more about the big bad world (usually) and must prepare the child in a way that the parents, if they’re aware, can best get the message through. Then usually, the parent learns as much if not more than the child they strive to teach… but that’s another discussion! 😆

Oh, my, did I have a belly laugh at this:

If you think you’re at an age where you are beyond giving birth – you are. (much laughter) I saw a bit of panic with some of you! (more laughter) “Dear God, not another one of those in my life! Two is enough.”

😯

I’m playing devil’s advocate here because I like to, sometimes… It’s so… dramatic! This is a bit of a hodgepodge, but it’s late where I am and I’m getting up to speed with this thread…

I get the word “drama” a lot in my messages, drama as an artificial creation of the mind in which we choose to play a part. So people-living-in-the-earth drama may translate better as “those people who choose to participate in the discussion and research about inner-earth civilizations, whose minds are ensconced in that paradigm”. That is their drama, the stage upon which they act and the script from which they gain clues about what the heck’s going on. The facet of conscious awareness through which light focuses in 3-D. Drama is distraction.

If you trace the lineage of the Illuminati back far enough, you might find it comes from the same source as love.

To me, this is a very important point:

You are the messengers, not the ones in flying saucers, not some leader who you think is going to rise up from the ranks, come to save this planet Earth. You are the messengers. I want you to breathe that in.

Conscious light is what we’ll see coming soon, and whatever shape it takes will be the shape most appropriate for our understanding to unfold through the agency of. Any event of a ship coming from outside our earth, showing up in the skies, will be a trigger for greater conscious awareness. Then it’ll be a lot easier… I think… to save ourselves. But we won’t know, will we, until we know? The “aliens” are extensions of ourselves we have not yet integrated into our understanding of Self (as opposed to self with a small s). The Pleiadians, Sirians, whoever, are our selves on other threads of the weave of the universe, ourselves in the future come through time to counsel us on what to be aware of if we want to reach a certain experiential dimension of being.

As far as the very unenlightened-sounding language, I read it in context that what is discussed here is power shattering, specifically power of the mind, meaning our reliance on our analytical abilities etc and our belief in sanity. Out the window, if you look at the work of Ian Lungold and Carl Calleman–time for power cease being the word of the age and time for ethics to come into focus. I refer to Ian’s video on the main site or his work at mayanmajix.com. Anyway, to me, this word “BS” is used to shatter the proper-etiquette minds of people who are listening a little bit, so old structures of belief can be swept away, or transformed to create a more streamlined experience. A little noise to disturb the status quo so it can become realigned with the new energies we are, as a planetary entity, awash in.

And while this sounds fear-based and negative:

You’re going to see riots in the streets, burnings of cities. You’re going to see people getting diseases, sicknesses, that spread far too fast for modern science to catch up with it. You’re going to see some dark days, and it’s not the end of the world.

… is this not what many many far too many people have been seeing around them for a long time, in far-away places with strange names?

I suggest that together we work through all that is brought to the surface with this message jontxi was impulsed quite strongly to share, without resistance or judgment. Not all masters are lovey-dovey sweet (or, as my own spiritual teacher once said to my great surprise, “all airy-fairy”… it seemed so out of character for her 😮 ), some are street-smart and street-wise. My dad was like that, and while I thought sometimes he was coldhearted, now I have understanding that I didn’t have then, and I am grateful for what he taught and the way he taught it… though some might consider his approach gruff, at best. But these challenging teachers can reach places within human consciousness other, gentler teachers might not, to the same effect of awakening awareness.

Perhaps reference should be made to this thread (Greetings from the Dark Side), which weaves quite beautifully with this one.

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Soul sister, I just read your website and I see we have traveled a similar path along The Journey. I thank you for the difference you make with your healing work and welcome you here!

Your poetry is lovely… I hope you’ll consider posting some in our creative works forum 🙄

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@Nightfable wrote:

I send the brokers white light and positive thoughts.

yeah, poor kids… 😮 that’s a rough awakening!

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Actually, that was a play on words… not that dark need be illuminated (of course) but the discussion brought into being, which you have done 😉

Light and dark, when they are not in their pure states, do perhaps experience fear of each other, to some extent, and define it as is appropriate for the journey they embark upon as embodied forces and according to awareness–and that could be fear, intrigue, submission, repulsion, integration. It’s all a choice, and that’s one of the games we play, what to choose, moment by moment, to experience. Neither pure light nor pure dark experiences fear. Fear is a disturbance, and beyond chaos, I believe, dark is perfectly still, eternal, steady. Beyond the organized vibration of light, too, is perfect stillness. Light is not inherently fearful of the dark. Not in my experience of it. Light understands the dark, and dark understands the light. There is nothing fearful in that, until forgetfulness of the totality of everything is engaged upon taking part in the game, in whatever form is desired by Consciousness in its exploration of duality. If light doesn’t understand it, that is because it is in a balancing act, learning, as is dark, experiencing, being, and experiencing being. Pure light and fear of the dark are mutually exclusive experiences. Pure dark and hatred of light are mutually exclusive experiences. Balance is not war between light and dark, but understanding… of what, that is the purpose of this thread, is it not? Duality aside, there is nothing but continuum.

You young-uns could be a little more patient with us old farts, you know 😉

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Okay, since jilly is so right in saying fear is not what is needed now, I offer you…

THE BROKERS WITH HANDS ON THEIR FACES BLOG

Why do they hold such a pose? Obviously, their pineal glands are exploding! 😆

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