[Zingdad]

This is awesome, Mathew. This is something I support whole-heartedly. I will be there with all the love I can muster.

[Zingdad]

Okay!

Chapter 9 is out. It’s quite an interesting conversation in a number of ways. Not least of which is that it has helped me to resolve my issues with doubt. In a very unexpected way too. If reading this gives you even a small amount of the value I got out of receiving it then I will be well pleased.

And in it 8 makes a few predictions. Since writing them they have already begun to come to fruition!

I am really very happy with it. Please let me know what YOU think!

Here is a quick link to it for your convenience.

PS appologies for leaving some issues in this thread unaddressed. Between getting ch 9 out and various other issues I have been somewhat preoccupied. I’ll try to give myself a breather to get to them soon.

[Zingdad]

Hi Syme

I think this whole thing is a matter of perspective. What messes it up for us time after time is that we have this limited view of ourselves that we are only that which has lived this single uni-directional track of a time-line. Sure, that is all we remember experiencing and that is why we have this belief. But this is not the greater truth of the matter.

But it is very hard to get at exactly what the greater truth IS because we are so confined in our thinking. We have to start by remembering that there really is no such thing as time. So your greater self did not plan your life and then press “go” and then send you off to live that life and see if you can hit the targets it set for you. No. You ARE the part of your greater self that is living the life your greater self is creating. You are the plan busy being created. This is hard to understand because we perceive life sequentially and linearly but the greater self sees it holistically as all RIGHT NOW. And this is why we are confused.

So YES, your higher self had a thought about what it wanted to achieve with this life of yours before it created the life. That is why the life was created… to fulfil a purpose. But the thing is this… if YOU change your path as you go then it IS your higher-self changing it’s path. You ARE your higher-self. You are just the bit that lives inside this reality and forgets that it is also something much greater. There is no separation whatsoever except for the fact that you believe there is. If you come to discover that there is a better path or a happier outcome then this is the same thing as your higher self discovering this as it lives the life you are living. If you come to create some really awful, painful stuff for yourself then this is your higher self realising something about itself… realising that this is how it responds to certain situations.

Confusing, I know. But that is how I understand it.

And then to add more confusion – for every decision you take it is equally valid and true for your greater self that you also made all the other choices that YOU think you didn’t take. You are ALL of it. The only difference is for you. You get to experience the results of your choices. It is like you are a radio receiver. You “tune yourself in” to receive one particular frequency and thereby hear the radio station that is at that frequency. But at the same time all the other infinite numbers of frequencies are still “there”. They are just as real and just as valid. Only YOU cannot hear them because you aren’t tuning your dial to them.

This is very confusing stuff for our poor 3D minds. And that is why, usually, when higher beings speak to us they speak in very simple terms of “life purpose” and so forth. It is the same as an adult talking baby talk to a baby… “baba wanna bickie?” LOL!

But in practical terms I would say this: You will live exactly the life created for you by your higher self AND you will do exactly as you choose and get the results of your choices. Both of these are absolutely true and there is no contradiction.

And THAT is how I currently understand all this. But I’m sure my understanding is still very limited.

There is a final thought I have. It is peripheral but you touch upon it in your post. It is the issue of STO and STS. We love-and-light types often hold some judgement of the STS beings. We see them as the “baddies” and easily make the call that this is less valid or less evolved. I come to understand that it really isn’t. It is a different path. A more lonely path. But it is absolutely equally valid. And it is possible to attain exactly as high a level of awareness on the STS path as the STO path. And also without some beings living an STS life there would be no 3D reality! The third dimension is the dimension of choice. We must choose to serve and love God. But we must choose what aspect of God the focus of our love will be. Will it be God-as-Self (STS) or will it be God-as-Other (STO). Neither path is more right or more wrong than the other. It IS ultimately all God! The only difference (to my mind) is that the STS path is a less happy path. And then there is the third path that I am talking about in The Ascension Papers which is the choice to love God-as-everything. To allow God to be that which is beyond your capacity to conceptualise.

[Zingdad]

@opalescent wrote:

… be that Adamu of Ashtar Command / Galactic Federation fame?

I’m not sure about that.

This is the relevant quote:

Of the Galactic Federation itself, Commander Adamu wrote:

“We include many races and some of those races are very closely related – sort of brothers and sisters of the same original parent race. Some you might recognize are us Pleiadians, the Sirians, the Arcturans, the Antarians, the Andromedans and those from Procyon, Aldebaran and Deneb.

“These are names I can place in my young friend’s mind at this time. There are others . Also others from outside of this galaxy are here. And ones who are far above such consideration as `galactic neighbourhood’ or even which universe you are from.” (3)

It definitely refers to one of my channellings of Adamu. But really this is not an issue at all. And I think it is easy to get confused about who’s who.

[Zingdad]

yeah.

sad.

You know I have had to face right from the beginning that the stuff I am writing – The Ascension Papers – would not be right for many people. In fact most of the people I am surrounded with in “real life” would not be interested in it. So I had to just get over needing other people to like it or to agree. What I really didn’t expect was to have someone resonate with the material and then so radically dis-resonate with any discussion or processes that might come out of that. I guess that’s how it goes. Not all things are for all people. I truly hope multi finds his “fit” somewhere.

Funny thing is I actually quite liked a lot of what multi was saying. And as quite a lot of my life has been characterised by me kicking against rules I also feel that with him. But a far harder lesson for me has been about me having the backbone to draw my boundaries. There HAVE to be limits to where one is prepared to go. And if someone can’t live with my boundaries then I guess we simply cannot play together. This doesn’t make them “wrong”. It just makes us incompatible play-mates.

And no – for me it is not about an arbitrary desire to eliminate all rules. No rules equals anarchy. I cannot say I ever aspired to that. It is simply about creating a minimum set of rules that are clear, elegant, efficient at supporting your intended path. No rules means there isn’t even a path!

And the final issue is the fact that I didn’t choose to PM Multi and instead chose to discuss it in the open. This is becasue I prefer transparency and openness where possible. Then everyone knows what is going on. And everyone can understand the process. I also didn’t choose to delete anything and didn’t even delete his posts where he makes some uncomfortable accusations. Those can stand for anyone to read and decide for themselves. So it all remains. And somewhere in all of this is something to learn.

When we can clearly see the path that lies behind us then we can learn from it. It is when we hide the path behind us from ourselves then we are doomed to tread it again.

[Zingdad]

… and clean-up is complete in aisle 9.

😆

… and so this thread is unlocked and the thread it came from is back in business.

I wanted to keep this “peripheral” stuff intact. I think multi has potentially made some interesting points. Just not at the right time and place. But the record of what went down is here and we can refer to it when appropriate. Or we can make more discussion threads if that seems more appropriate.

[Zingdad]

okay – multi seems to have left us.

He said

“anyway.. thanks again for your writings
but I will leave you to it.
I have too many forums that I post on..
I really didn’t need another anyway.

bye.”

So I am going to lock this thread and clean it up.

I am sorry for the misunderstanding with multi. Sadly not everyone will play every game it seems. Maybe there is something instructive in that.

[Zingdad]

@multi wrote:

I am not sure what you are asking me to do?

Okay. No problem. If you go to the first page of this thread you’ll see a channelled bit of conversation with J-D. There he sets out what this thread is about. It is PARTLY about finding a solution to this challenge but also partly an exercise in “reality creation”. He makes the request that those that wish to partake in this thread please indicate it by declaring their intent. He even gives you the shared statement of intent. (If this is not done then people end up trying to co-create without being on the same page – so to speak). So you are invited to do just that. Which every ohter person here has done.

That is the first step. After that we’ll get the next step. That’s the game you are invited to play on this thread.

OF COURSE you are welcome to discuss anything else you like but in the interests of doing this thing properly I am not going to permit this thread to be pulled off purpose. If you want to talk about this issue without directly partaking in it then you are MOST welcome to do so… simply create anther thread for that. If on the other hand you DO want to play this game. Then simply play it as requested.

@multi wrote:

II guess I am not really one to conform too well with group rules and regulations

I didn’t realise there would be any

I’m afraid there are ALWAYS rules. Try play a game of poker with no rules. Try drive on the roads with no rules. Try have a relationship with no rules.

Recipe for disaster.

All internet forums have rules

THIS thread is a game – albeit a serious one – and it has rules.

That, I’m afraid is how it is.

Now, if you’d like I can move all this peripheral discussion to it’s own thread and it can carry on there. Or I can delete it. Which would you prefer?

Unfortunately I am not going to just leave it here in this thread.

[Zingdad]

Multi. Thank you for your enthusiasm. But I would like to point out that there is a process underway here. I am going to politely ask you to respect the process. You can join in if you want to or you can wait until it’s done and then comment all you like. But for now all we are doing is collecting of participants. Simple question: are you you in or are you out. Then the next step will unfold. If you feel you have stuff to say above and beyond that then there is a big old forum board waiting for you to go and create all the threads you like. Please respect this.

[Zingdad]

What about our children and loved ones?

Hi folks

I have been asked:

@Seeker wrote:

For those that take a long exploration excursion during the Singularity Event what happens to their body, in that I’m concerned that dependent family members might suffer from someone’s absence?

and

@bajillic wrote:

What happens to young children? I have a 5 and 8 year old.. As a Mom in this reality I could never leave them…. Do I make them aware of the ascension papers or will they awaken on their own? … My husband is pretty open to all this sort of stuff but he is wrapped in daily living.. making a living.. etc..

and

@wolfke74 wrote:

I have a daughter that is two years old and I feel I can’t leave her or my husband. But on the other side I really want to ascend and go this wonderfull time.

I don’t know the answer to these questions. I am not in that situation – my lady-love and I are very much walking the ascension path together and I have no children. So the answer to this isn’t in my heart. But I can see that this is a very important issue. And as such I wanted to address this right away (I’ll get to the other discussion points on this thread soon). In reading these questions today I felt the subtle pressure that I have come to know as Joy-Divine wishing to speak to me consciously. So I’ll let him take over…

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Joy-Divine: Thank you my one. I want to address this question. Specifically becasue it is a question asked from the heart. You that ask, ask it out of your love and concern for others. Asking from the heart is a wonderful beginning for certainly doing so is the best way to get an answer from the heart. And answers from the heart are the best ones of all.

Dear friends I would like to invite you to play a little game with me. Seeker, Jilly and Wolfke, I invite you specifically but also anyone else that would like to play. By reading The Ascension Papers you have already begun the game but now we simply take it to the next level. The game is, of course, “Reality Creation”. Will you come and play?

Here is how it will work: Zingdad is going to make a special sub-section for the discussion of JUST THIS ISSUE: the issue of what to do about your children and your loved ones. The difference is that now, instead of 8 or I telling you how things will be… YOU are going to tell US how it will be! Does that not sound like fun? Because that is what it is. We are going to have some fun together. So please do not be afraid as you cannot get this wrong and you cannot make any mistakes.

First we’ll assemble our “creative team”. Then you are going to work together as I coach you through the process step-by-step. The end-product of this process will be the most delightful, loving outcome possible for this issue. When we have this it will be included into The Ascension Papers and will become a part of our collective future reality too!

The OTHER outcome will be that you will have co-created a part of your reality with each other and me. You will thereby have begun to move yourselves into your true creator status. And from thereon out we will know what to do with other questions like this one that crop up from time to time. We will have a record of our progress so that future co-creative interactions will become more and more fluent.

So that is what we are going to do.

If you are willing to play then please go to the appointed sub-section.

My heart sings. The game is begun!
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Oh WOW! How exciting is that!!!

What a cool game J-D had up his sleeve! That is just awesome. And it totally makes sense too! 8 said we were all going to discover how you folks are more than passive observers… how you are co-creators with us. I had no idea this was what he was talking about. Excellent!

So I have created a new thread as requested. It is over here.

[Zingdad]

@bajillic wrote:

OMG…. I can’t stop thinking about all this… day and night… Thank you Zingdad , JD and soon 8. Almost on last chapt…
Already want to reread it all.
thank you…

it all makes so much sense…
I feel such a stirring inside me… such a happy feeling of relief.. hard to express….

Hi Jilly

I’m really glad this is working for you. This is wonderful. I am loving the process of receiving this material but sharing it with others and hearing how it is helping them is a wonderful, wonderful thing for me. And… unbelievably enough… I am told that what is still to come is even MORE amazing. Though I’m not really sure how you top the Singularity Event for general amazingness! 🙂 But I am quite willing to go ahead and see! 😀

Much love to you my dear friend
~Z~

[Zingdad]

@dan wrote:

Friends, do you know Bashar? channeled through Darryl Anka, very good stuff. Here I put 2 links to small videos where this entity talks about the same concepts of life after death as 8 did, and also, very intereseting is the 4 laws of creation, very alike 8’s Truth -The One Is – and the derivatives.
Enjoy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DLSyU7y97M&feature=PlayList&p=5661BE6C855C3B9E&index=0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcq5tcOzito

Daniel

dan, I cannot thank you enough for sharing this with me!

I hadn’t heard of Bashar before but having watched this video – well – the synchronicities are overwhelming. I was just talking to Ann in her into thread about synchronicitity and here it is again. Bashar’s rules of the universe are very, very nearly identical to 8’s derived truths. This is amazing stuff. And the way he describes death is also so very similar. This is mind-blowing. I think I am going to have to try to contact Darryl Anka. Seems like we are singing from the same hymn book!

Thanks again dan!

[Zingdad]

@Ann7002 wrote:

I do not know much about synchronicity, but I am born 23. february 1970 and my “real” first name is Ann

I have always felt Love in my heart, searched for Truth and shared Joy. Whitout Love there can be no real Truth and no true Joy.

Ann was born 23 February 1970

Arn was born 22 February 1970

We both have this idea about the three things being Love Truth and Joy. Hmmm…

I don’t know… Ann if there is some significance to this then I will simply trust that it will show itself. Maybe we each have something to say to each other…. something like that. Who knows. If there IS something like that I trust that we’ll find it. If not then there is no problem! 😀

[Zingdad]

Cool! Thanks Will.

It’s quite fun to begin reading a new article with some interest and then find yourself quoted in it! 😮 😀

They made a small error though. Adamu is not “Commander Adamu”. Last I checked he wasn’t particularly a military figure. 😆 But otherwise quite a cool article.

[Zingdad]

Hello multi.

I have moved this post to the “intro” section.

You are very welcome here.

I am curious. Because even though I DO channel I haven’t myself read as much of other folks channelled material as, perhaps I would like to have done. Can you enlighten me. What is “their general message of YCYOR & YGWYCO “?

Of those that you list I have only ever read “Seth Speaks” a book by Seth and Jane Roberts.

~Z~

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