[Neiru2012]

@jontxi wrote:

Neiru, you could send her an email: ric@blossomgoodchild.com
I’m sure she will appreciate our words of support!

Thanks, I just did. ^_^

[Neiru2012]

Thank you for posting that video, Orissa.

I really don’t have the words to say how baffled I am at the bitter and violent reactions so many have had to this whole thing, and how much I feel for Blossom. I may be in the minority in that I don’t take channeling as gospel, I take them with a bag of salt… but that doesn’t mean I don’t think the channelers believe in what they say, or even that the entities they channel mean what they say. But humans aren’t perfect and neither are aliens or even ascended masters. I trust my own intuition and rely on my own strength. My hope is in myself. I also never had a deathgrip on Oct 14th and still have plenty of hope and expectation for the rest of the year. And if they don’t come? That’s fine with me too. But what I’m trying to say is that I wish I could hug Blossom and tell her that it’s alright, that she’s not humiliated or any less in my eyes. And I don’t give out hugs freely! I also wish I could tell her to not feel like a fool, because it is not foolish to live your truth and to trust in the universe. Whatever part she has played so far, I don’t think her role is over yet. Everything happens for a reason. I hope her allies have something planned for her, and for all of us, that will reaffirm her open heart.

[Neiru2012]

Seriously, people… Neither Adamu nor Zingdad are Blossom’s press secretary. Stop venting your anger/pain/betrayal on him for things he hasn’t even said. Adamu never claimed the Oct. 14th date. Most channels didn’t specify a date. Some said “middle of October.” Adamu went so far as to say till the end of the year. Also don’t try to accuse him of things he’s not responsible for – like your reactions. Or are you really trying to say that you need an external entity to tell you what to think, how to feel, or make you strong? Ask yourselves why did you get so shaken by this? Why are you so quick to lose hope and revert to blame? Where are you storing your power? Is it in aliens? in channeled messages? or within? Take responsiblity for yourself and stop parading your bitterness.

[Neiru2012]

Who’s to say those that wrote the Bible weren’t channeling “demonic entities”? Who’s to say the “devil” didn’t free humanity from a false god? What’s this preoccupation with Christianity when, as Will pointed out, it has proven to be one of the most hateful and violent religions in the history of mankind? (monotheism tends to do that to you for some reason) There’s a million other ways of viewing the world out there. But, at least, this gives me a chance to finally link this video to demonstrate what I think is Anti-Christ(‘s teachings)…

[Neiru2012]

The funny thing is, I told a coworker yesterday that there might be a ship, and he told me how he heard they sometimes hide behind clouds. So when I saw the overcast sky I figured they might be there.

But all the hurt and confusion some of you are showing makes me wonder… why DO you want the ship to come? Whether or not the ship comes… the personal experiences I’ve had with ETs won’t disappear, my opinion of myself will not change, what I want to do with my life won’t change. I will not have lost anything. I might still be sad, though. Not for myself, but for those that haven’t seen what I have. I rewatched the movie Contact yesterday to get myself in the mood for today, and I would like to quote what the heroine Ellie replies when she is asked why she won’t withdraw her testimony of contact despite there being no evidence to prove it:

“Because I can’t. I… had an experience… I can’t prove it, I can’t even explain it, but everything that I know as a human being, everything that I am tells me that it was real! I was given something wonderful, something that changed me forever… A vision… of the universe, that tells us, undeniably, how tiny, and insignificant and how… rare, and precious we all are! A vision that tells us that we belong to something that is greater then ourselves, that we are *not*, that none of us are alone! I wish… I… could share that… I wish, that everyone, if only for one… moment, could feel… that awe, and humility, and hope. But… That continues to be my wish.”

This is why I want the ship to come. So please, to aid the manifestation of the ship, look into your hearts and feel what desires you are projecting. For us this might be a fun lightshow, a public validation of our sanity, or a chance to say “I told you so!” But for the rest, this is something that will change the world forever in ways we can’t even anticipate. I have no doubt that the ship will come, and that it will be visible to all, and that nobody will be able to deny it… I only wonder if it will happen in the reality which I’ll step into tomorrow. But I also believe that when you have things of such historical magnitude, most of the reality streams intersect upon it.

Today I got an envelope in the mail. It was black with a lone constellation and the text “Discover where, when, and how to find every object in the sky… No equipment needed!” I’ll be looking. 😀

(Hmm… maybe I should watch “Signs” tonight :P)

[Neiru2012]

@Paul wrote:

whatever happens will not happen until later today or tonight, after the markets close and everything, hmmmm?

I had a dream on Oct. 1 that I was outside at night looking at the sky and it was completely overcast. Then gradually I began to see pinpoints of light in the clouds. I figured they were stars, but as they came closer (or the clouds were thinning out) I saw they were rhythmically blinking. Then they came closer still and I saw they were not stars at all, but the underbelly of gigantic spaceship. I immediately started telling everyone around me… and I guess I woke up from all the excitement. But even in the hazy state of just waking up in the middle of the night, I kept mumbling to myself “I have to remember this, this is important.”

It is very overcast where I am right now. For most of the day I couldn’t see a speck of sky. I am still hoping the weather tonight will be “cloudy with chance of spaceship.” 😉

[Neiru2012]

I’ll have to disagree with you, jontxi…

Yes, ships appear over major cities all the time. Some see them, some don’t, some take pictures of them; it is nothing unusual. That’s besides the point. This case was supposed to be different. Now, I’m referring to the channeling(s) that specified Oct. 14th in particular, which sounds different from the information you have. That channeling made it very clear that this was not meant to be some further attempt to condition human consciousness so that it may someday be open to ET contact. This was/is supposed to be an official declaration of contact with Earth and undeniable proof of alien life. IF that was the intent, then to say that only so-called believers would see it is rediculous. It is my understanding that this is not happening for the believers. I do not need a 2,000 mile long spaceship to block out the sun for three days to know there’s extraterrestrial life. I AM extraterrestrial life! This event was meant for those that don’t “believe,” and explicitly so. This event was part of the preparation for the consciousness shift in 2012 that no being on this planet can avoid. Now, I’m not giving up hope for this day, and I also am not giving up hope on Zingdad’s channeling that this window is open for the rest of the year. But to say this event is only meant for those who already believe, who are ready, and/or those that are willing to see… is to defeat the point of its stated purpose!

[Neiru2012]

@Will wrote:

…so You are of the Manifest right ?…

My body is of the Manifest. Whether or not I am is debatable. I am a hybrid of Void and Manifest. I am from the Void (but who isn’t?). The difference between me and the majority of beings native to this universe is that I’m not sure if I am of the original incarnate Void being. I’m not even sure if I can be considered part of this universe. As of right now I believe I entered it as either a group of independent Void beings-turned Manifest hybrid, or as a single Void being-turned Manifest hybrid who expresses itself as many entities. We can be considered the Manifest’s antibodies who make sure the incarnate Void being (this Manifest universe) can sleep and dream undisturbed. By “undisturbed” I mean to make sure that pure “beings” from the Void don’t enter it prematurely and that it doesn’t return to the Void prematurely, both of which would result in the complete annihilation of the Manifest universe. We are the “Void-like counter-balance” I talked about in the previous page of the thread. In other words, we protect the Manifest in ways Manifest beings can not. But to say we are Manifest is misleading. We do carry inside us Manifest light to be able to interact with the Manifest, but our Void aura emanates into the Void and isn’t perceived by those who can’t see the Void’s spectrum. If the Manifest was cloth, our presence is seen as imprints in the cloth to the Manifest spectrum while our true self is behind the cloth.
@Will wrote:

…are you a spokesperson for the Void ?…

Void speaks for itself, but it wouldn’t go out of its way to communicate with you. Being on a different light spectrum, it doesn’t even see you or care to look for you. It is an entirely different layer of reality, but its influence is so great that it can passively affect Manifest worlds. And good thing that it can, since without its influence things here would stagnate. But if you want to think of it this way, I am a spokesperson for the spokesperson for the Void. Or, more accurately, a spokesperson for the mass consciousness of the Void hybrids who protect the Manifest.
@Will wrote:

…does the Void possess conscious awareness ?…would that not make it a part of Manifestation ?…is it not a part of All That Is ?…

It (Void beings) possesses a kind of conscious awareness that is unlike anything in the Manifest. No, that doesn’t make it (them) part of the Manifest, because this incomperably different “consciousness” is so chaotic and expansive it would instantly rip apart the Manifest and/or “wipe” the affected parts of it clean of data. Thankfully it is extremely difficult for a pure Void being to enter the Manifest since its consciousmass exceeds the capacity that the Manifest is designed for (see my explanation of “consciousmass” on the first page of thread). Think black hole. Is it part of All That Is? Depends what you mean by “All That Is.” It is not part of “All That Is” in this universe, but it is part of “All That Is” in the multiverse. It is a major reality division of the multiverse.
@Will wrote:

…I see the Void as a blank slate …the potential upon which Manifest comes into being…

Well it’s not! XD Its influence on the Manifest is a passive by-product of it simply existing. It is its own reality layer infinitely more vast and diverse than anything the Manifest can imagine. The consciousness of just one Void being can create the diversity of an entire universe. But for those that live in the Void, it is its own world, with its own learning environment. The quantum Dark and quantum foam is a little closer to the “potential” upon which Manifest comes into being, but even Darkness is its own energy with its own tendencies which bleed through from the Void. I work with Dark energy and hardly ever use it for its passive “potential” aspect. I’m much more interested in its gifts of freedom, protection, Self-empowerment, world-building, and working with the Void gates (Fear, Doubt, Death).
@Will wrote:

…your dialogue seems to separate Void from those that follow a Service to Self policy…

The “Service to Self” and “Service to Others” labels are meaningless to me, and have nothing to do with Dark or Void. But if you must put labels on things then I propose thinking in terms of beings who function from “Inside->Out” and “Outside->In,” or “Power through Self” and “Power through Others.” Void and its Dark offshoot are strongly “Inside->Out” and “Power through Self” aligned, and promote individuality and Self-expression. Then you have the “Outside->In” and “Power through Others” alignment, which can be expressed as communal power and/or the desire for power over others.

Since Zingdad hasn’t had time to reply yet, I shall quote parts of our conversation which I think are relevant here… *summons Zingdad* 😛
@Zingdad wrote:

The problem is that many, many people on this planet (and many of the spirit beings in its environs) are not in their truth. They are light beings but they do not bring energy into the system. They have become lost, confused and hurt by this system (which is not hard to do) and have begun, instead of bringing energy in from Source, to try to steal it from others around them. They become petty energy leeches. In so doing they become a kind of perverted darkness. They are light-which-is-darkened. Like anything which is badly out of its truth, they are an aberration, an illness. So most people on this planet (and the spirit beings around it), when they talk of darkness are actually referring to this phenomenon. Not TRUE Darkness, but light beings which steal and leech energy. Which is a contamination and an illness in the light system. Because you see the energy (light) which they steal from others is not returned to Source. It is used to feed themselves and then it remains in the system and stagnates. And until it is returned to the person it was stolen from it just rots and hurts both parties… especially the energy thief.

Because these beings are not True Darkness, they cannot successfully do what they are trying to do. It just does damage all round. And so it comes to be… that there are countless spiritual healers around the world for whom it is absolutely true that they encounter interactions between two beings and the one is “of the dark” and that “dark” being has done damage to itself and to the other and this needs work and healing. And it’s true… from their perspective. But you see, we never have had to come across a being such as you. And if we did we wouldn’t see you as ill and so wouldn’t go looking to discover your nature. After all you are not here stealing other people’s energy! So that is where it is at, as far as I can see. I think there is a story that needs to be told. I think we need to reclassify this sickly aberrant quasi-darkness with a new term. Perhaps “light-thief” or “ill-light” or “light-leech” or “darkened-light”… I don’t know. Something. I think it is time to recognise that True Darkness is something else. Something that we need.

Heheheh… “Light-Leech.” I wouldn’t call it “darkened-light” though, I’d just call it “Light-Leech” or “Light-Thief.” 😀
@Will wrote:

…an eternal dance …

See my take on the “dance” metaphor in the last post of the previous page. ^_^;

[Neiru2012]

They are sacred stories I carry across lifetimes to remind me who I am and what my place in the multiverse is.

[Neiru2012]

@opalescent wrote:

Do you see there being an Idea from which Void originates? The relatively puny mental capacity of amnesic incarnate Being creates the idea of something from which Void emanates, conventionally called “God”. However, I think the greater understanding would be that Void is Self-aware (with a capital S) and therefore generative of itself. This all gets into chicken-or-egg kind of reasoning, doesn’t it.

I there an idea from which Void originates? Can’t really answer that since I haven’t experienced a reality beyond Void. But Void is definitely “Self-aware and therefore generative of itself.” I think the chicken-or-egg problem only comes up in linear time. I don’t really see ultimate reality as having beginnings or endings, it just always is/has been/will be. Still, I say Void came first!! 😆 They even call themselves the Firstborn in my stories (usually in the context of “you dare challenge the might of the Firstborn?!” :P). After all, Manifest is generated from Void. But then again, the Manifest can also generate Void. 😯 (see “Universes Within Universes” in my first post)
@opalescent wrote:

Describe the relationship between Void and Field?

What is the relationship between Manifest and the Field? What is the relationship of anything to the Field? It exists in all things and enables the expression of infinite realities and perspectives, Void and Manifest being two of them. It is the common ground which connects all things regardless of light spectrums, consciousmass, or any other divisions that arise. It is the underlying unity which makes holographic individuality possible. I don’t really see it as having relationship with things, or directing things in any way, as much as just allowing them to shape their own experience of reality and evolve an endless supply of wonderous playgrounds. So the relationship of Void/Manifest/anything to Field is a bit like the relationship of Programmer to Code.
@opalescent wrote:

Thought = That which finishes the phrase “I AM …” (To me, in these terms, Void would be simply expressed as “I AM.”)

The state of “I AM” and “zero point” are transitions into Void “consciousness,” but it’s important to remember that Void has its own version of thought which is unlike anything here.
@opalescent wrote:

Possibility = Potential

I use “possibility” and “potential” interchangeably. They are the most basic way Void influences the Manifest, and it is a passive thing that they don’t notice or likely care about. Void does not exist to serve the Manifest nor does it obssess about the Manifest. Void can also influence Manifest in much more complicated and exotic ways (such as “Moon Sickness”). This is, again, not typically something that Void beings go out of their way to do. It is a result of a Manifest being remembering their Void core, whether or not they understand what it is. But the Void is its own reality with its own learning environment. It is the next layer of evolution. It can’t be seen as a stepping-stone in a Kabbalistic-style cosmology where energy trickles down from the mind of God/dess to find ultimate expression in Manifest forms.
@opalescent wrote:

I am in agreement with your meaning of ego… it is a wily thing and a brilliant teacher, when it’s recognized as that.

I would say that the ego isn’t “a teacher” but “the teacher.” It is the sense of self, without which there is no perspective or individual expression. If evolving (not simply existing) without the sense of self was possible, the Field wouldn’t keep generating more and more imaginative kinds of separation. Maybe somewhere it’s possible, but I haven’t seen it.
@opalescent wrote:

Always aggressive and painful? Can it not also be a dance? Can it not also be surrender?

I don’t know, lol, how would you describe being torn apart and crushed by a black hole? As long as you are entrenched in the world of form, dismantling that form will be painful and threats to that form will be seen as aggression. I guess Void and Manifest can dance, but it might get awkward since one of the partners will keep exploding (I’ll let you guess which one). Dark and Light can dance much better, and do so all the time. Surrender? Surrender to what? One has to surrender attachment to forms in order to survive the Void. This includes, but is not limited to: who you think you are, who others think you are, who you want to be, who you’re trying not to be, and confusing your Self with memories and experiences. All these things are forms. Void destroys forms, and if too much of your sense of self is invested in them, you as an individual would also be destroyed. Only the eternal center which has integrated the essense of experiences into a passive (taking no effort to maintain) state of be-ing can withstand the Void. It is the eye of the storm while the Manifest shell is torn to pieces all around you.

[Neiru2012]

@opalescent wrote:

To one who fears Chaos, however, it is perfect… 😎

Which is why it exists.
@opalescent wrote:

My husband and I were talking about this today. He said it’s like when men are in the thick of battle, in total chaos… time slows way down, there is nothing but silence and confusion. This, I see, regarding what you say, is akin to entering the void… at least, a tangible example from the 3D world. Much valuable knowledge has been buried that was known to warriors of old, especially the matriarchal warrior cultures, about entering the battlefield of Chaos, death, and transcendence.

Yes, I do thinkt he sacred warrior mentality is linked to Void energy. It expresses itself as everything from the “Moon Sickness” I described in the first post to a more Manifest-friendly version, such as Protection. It is the warrior spirit in the sense of self-expression, understanding others (the idea that you can only know someone by fighting them or seeing how they react in extreme situations), and transcending the sense of mortality. It is fighting without hiding in armor, as a display of skill, honor, and the embrace of death as the path to immortality. The moment it crosses over to “fighting for self-preservation” or “for the sake of winning” or detached modern warfare-at-the-push-of-a-button it ceases to be Void-influenced. Void fighting is carnal, in-your-face, mixing your blood with theirs. Yet it can also be the “silence” of perfect concentration and reflexive instinct in the midst of chaos. In that sense it can be used as a symbolic example of “entering the Void,” since without that strong, confident, passive (taking no effort to be/maintain) center, the Void would tear a being to shreds just like in battle. But if you take “silence and confusion” in the sense of being paralyzed, lost, deaf, panicked, fearful, anxious, unsure… it is nothing like that. It also depends what you mean by “confusion.” To me confusion, as it relates to the Manifest, is a sacred state of destabalizing forms. It unsettles rigid patterns to make room for the next level of truth.
@opalescent wrote:

Okay, I am reaching clarity on your definition of these words. Do you see there being an idea of Void? If so, do you see that as generated from within the Void, a response of the Manifest to the Void? “Idea” is both generated and generative…

A little confused what you mean, but I’ll attempt to answer. I there an “idea” of Void in the Void? No. Can Manifest beings have an idea of what Void is? Yes. Will it be accurate? No, lol, but god knows we try anyway. So then the “idea of Void” is a Manifest attempt to conceptualize Void, inspired by filtered Void energy.
@opalescent wrote:

I see both Dark and Light as sourcing from Void. “Manifest” is getting in my way… is not Dark also manifest?

Dark is a kind of buffer zone between Void and Manifest. I currently understand it as the quantum level of the Manifest, or the theorized “quantum foam,” where things freely blink in and out of existence and do wacky things that defy the conventional laws of physics. It is the dormant consicousness of the incarnate Void being and the most mundane means by which Void influences the Manifest. So Dark sources from Void, but isn’t quite Manifest (or Void). Manifest light also sources from Void, in the sense of being Void fully incarnate in form. I say “Manifest light” because I want to restrict it to the light spectrum found in this universe. Manifest light is always manifest, so they are pretty much synonymous to me. Manifest light can also manifest its interpertation of Dark tendencies stemming from Void. In that sense, Dark can become Manifest. Somehow I feel this hasn’t made things any clearer, but I did my best. 😛
@opalescent wrote:

I see Void as That in which matter breaks down into particulate, elemental, sublime thought… or, to get beyond mind, possibility.

Yes, Void is beyond mind so “thought” is misleading except as a placeholder for a vastly different type of consciousness. “Possibility”? That is what it does for the Manifest, and perhaps one of the best words the Manifest has for conceptualizing it, but again, it is much more than “possibility” even though there are no words to describe what that “more” is except maybe “freedom” (and even that is only relevant from the perspective of Manifest restriction). Now as far as the other words I mentioned…
@opalescent wrote:

I understand all the words you use here except for “fighting”, unless that can be translated as the impulse/force/act of breaking bonds of form-in-resistance. Can you elaborate on that aspect of Void? To me, fighting implies some kind of egoic state, and form entering the Void would experience no resistance. Forms of Light and Forms of Dark–I can see them fighting, but to me, all surrenders to deconstruction and return to potential within Void, consciousness returning to consciousness. I can, however, understand “fighting” as an explosive reaction, like antagonistic chemicals in contact going kaboom.

Okay, we’re running into conflicting definitions of “ego” here, but I’ll bypass that (to me “ego” is the sense of self, the seat of power, the thing gives perspective and allows expression as an individual by distinguishing itself from others). I tried to describe what I mean by “fighting” in the first post. Maybe you would understand it better as “friction.” It is the Void’s means of energy sharing/exchange and experience of bliss. I call it “fighting” because they do this in a way that feels very violent and aggressive to Manifest beings… and because if they should try it towards a Manifest being, the Manifest being would be annihilated either instantly or very painfully. So, if I understand your thoughts correctly, it is towards the Manifest what you call the “act of breaking bonds of form-in-resistance.” This is the force similar to one found in black holes. But it is only a by-product of Void energy. Void beings themselves don’t “friction” against each other to break down forms (since they have none). It is just their natural state of being. It’s fun! XD

As far as my view of power being useful in the other thread? I don’t know, that channeling uses a whole host of other definitions that would take too long to unravel. I’d rather leave that channeling alone for those that resonate with it and address the issue of power here.

P.S. Haha! I just noticed all of my posts besides the original one are on the darker tinted background!

[Neiru2012]

@opalescent wrote:

What do you see as the Void’s stance/response toward Order?

At first pass I’d have to say its response to “order” is disgust. But that’s not really true. Not only does Void not have the concept of “disgust,” it also enters Manifest incarnation willingly. They might see a friend entering incarnation as losing a playmate, but that’s not true either, since not only do they continue playing with them, but being outside of space and time makes any sense of parting irrelevant. Frankly, I don’t think Void cares much one way or the other about order. It barely registers as a state of consciousness let alone a threat. Void inherently destroys order without putting any effort into it or giving it much “thought.” Manifest dark, though… that can be threatened by order. I can speak for myself that if you put me into a calm, tame, safe (in the sense of preserving forms) environment it drives me insane and I feel as though it can kill me. I thrive in conflict, catalyst, motion, momentum.
@opalescent wrote:

It is not the Void that I was saying was still, but That Which Is beyond the Void, and beyond Light. Beyond chaos and beyond order is a point of perfect stillness which exists outside of space and time and therefore well beyond the limits of language. A concept akin or identical to zero point. Beyond form, movement, desire. The point where a fractal jumps to another level of pattern, when ordered frequency vibrates itself out of form, and chaos becomes… what, help me here… um, potential? I’ll stick with that for now… at that point, that’s the stillness I am referring to. Formless potential. The womb at the point when the soul enters the fetus, where light exists in darkness and that is its experience, while darkness becomes aware of light growing within it.

I know the “zero point” of this universe and I feel the chaos of Void, but I haven’t experienced anything beyond either the Manifest or the Void, so can’t comment on it. Void is abstract enough and I don’t expect to try to understand realities incomprehensible even to Void until I’m fully in the Void. Void is already beyond space and time, it is already a wholly other level of pattern and beyond form. It is already the formless potential from which souls and worlds are born, where darkness becomes aware of light (incarnates as the Manifest or becomes a hybrid) and light returns to darkness. What you are describing isn’t beyond Void, but Void is beyond what you are describing. What you are describing is Void’s relationship to Manifest light, but Void is also a reality in its own right existing for itself. I couldn’t begin to describe what that reality is like, but my point is that the Manifest is very limited in what it can imagine and theorize on from its perspective (as I’m sure the Void is to realities beyond itself, if there are any). Based on my information, what you described is not ultimate reality but a vision of the next layer (Void). Except that I don’t feel it as stillness at all, not in the sense that Manifest understands the concept. It is very much in motion. There are things far beyond this universe’s “zero point,” and realities where things like “form” and “desire” have no meaning. Not because they have transcended it, not necessarily because they are “beyond” it, but because they are a completely different world, with lessons, situations, and experiences (if they can be called that) we can’t begin to imagine from our perspective just as they can’t imagine ours.
@opalescent wrote:

How do you define light in stagnation here? Coherent light is ordered in phase, so any stagnation would, to me, be either the unexpected introduction of chaos (light not knowing how to respond to dark, in shock), light closing off any introduction of chaos as a creative force, or phase shift in between levels of engaged awareness. Do you see it as form, crystalline or otherwise? Or as Bill Hicks said, energy condensed to a slow vibration?

I define light in stagnation as “light closing off any introduction of chaos as a creative (and especially destructive!!) force.” That’s what I mean by saying that light, by itself, is “stagnant”… or, if you prefer, “stable.” It is concerned with knowing and being what exists, not with catalyst or change. I see Manifest light as form – crystalline, silicone, carbon, fluid, gasseous, energy, etc. It doesn’t matter what vibration Manifest light is, it’s still a form. Soul, spirit, idea, thought – all forms. If it can be defined, contained, restricted, stabalized, or noticeably changed, it’s a form. Forms can’t survive in the Void.
@opalescent wrote:

So, to your thinking, are light and dark expressions (and as such able to be perceived by form) of Manifest and Void, which are themselves experiments of a formless source? I see a progression kind of like, a source/consciousness/OM (for lack of a better word), then potential/dark/Void, then form/light/Manifest, then experience of a section of a continuum, the edges perceived as light and dark.

I see Dark as an expression of Void into form, but I see Light as the definition of the Manifest. Experiments of a formless source? The Void is already formless and the source of Manifest worlds, so that’s misleading. The Source beyond Void? That’s confusing to me. I don’t really organize my cosmology as originating from a central “Source” except the one that exists holographically in everything. I see it more as a mass consciousness field that collectively organizes the multiverse into various expressions, and layers of expression, as the need for them arises. It is very fluid and most likely not objective at all, but instead wraps itself around every smallest particle (or, rather, exists within it) and lets that particle shape its own experience of reality organization. Perhaps it is helpful for you to organize the world in terms of “Source”–>Void–>Manifest, and from the perspective of the Manifest that organization is very relevant and helpful, but it doesn’t make sense from the perspective of Void. Again, Void is its own reality layer. Its purpose for itself is infinitely more than just “potential.” I couldn’t begin to tell you what it is, though. 😛 What I sense of it is simply its default state of “being,” not what it uses it for. That state of “being,” is chaos, destruction, power, bloodlust, fighting, freedom and, of course, formlessness.
@opalescent wrote:

This thread weaves some complementary themes to this one, Farewell to Power.

I guess I have to disagree with that thread’s definition of “power,” just like I disagree with most definitions of “ego.” Power in Washington? Power over others? That is not the “power” that the Void stands for. The Void’s power is “emanation of Self.”

[Neiru2012]

I agree with the essense of that paragraph, but I’m also trying to get across a difference in our cosmologies. The difference may come down to definitions.
@opalescent wrote:

Fear is a disturbance, and beyond chaos, I believe, dark is perfectly still, eternal, steady. Beyond the organized vibration of light, too, is perfect stillness. Light is not inherently fearful of the dark.

Like I mentioned before, I see “fear” as one of the primary distortions of Void energy. In particular, the Void quality of strength or power. “Fear” exists because the Manifest recognizes that it can be destroyed (changed beyond recognition). “Fear” does not exist in Void, because it lacks forms that can be destroyed. Therefore Manifest light “fears” the destabalizing influences of the closest thing to Void it interacts with, which is Darkness. I guess you have to define both “stillness” and “chaos” for me here. I don’t sense anything still about the Void. It is absolute chaos, and it is the quality of Void beings to develop “consciousness” that is “constancy in chaos.” This doesn’t make them any less chaotic. Maybe that’s what you mean by “steady,” although I wouldn’t call it that. Manifest light I do see as “stillness,” in the sense of stagnation… because that’s one of my definitions of “stillness.” That “stillness” is expressed in the Manifest in the sense that despite apparent changes occuring on the surface, without the Dark/Void’s influence nothing new is introduced.
@opalescent wrote:

Pure light and FEAR of the dark are mutually exclusive experiences. Pure dark and HATRED of light are mutually exclusive experiences. Balance is not WAR between light and dark, but understanding.

I isolate this to let you have a glimpse into the mind of a hybrid. It is often hard for me to reconcile Void and Manifest definitions. Here I highlighted the main words that do not translate between Void and Manifest. I explained why “fear” doesn’t translate above, so now we’re down to “hate” and “war.” Those two words are very common distortions of Void energy when they get filtered into Manifest. They are literal translations as seen from the Manifest perspective. It can very well be said that Void “hates” Manifest light and is constantly at “war” with it. This is a bit silly to say, since if Void really wanted to destroy the Manifest, it could do so instantly. But nevertheless its relationship towards the Manifest is to constantly try to destroy it but never quite finishing the job. My stories say that Void sees the Manifest as an abomination that imposed on their freedom, and that it would’ve gladly destroy it if there was not an elite counter-fighting force that guards the Manifest and keeps Void beings at bay. I can’t say this isn’t true, but I can say that Void beings “think” about it very differently. When Void beings show aggression towards you, it is to express interest. When Void beings try to fight/destroy you, it is to “share the joy of immortality” with you. When Void influences the Manifest in chaotic, destructive ways, it is to revitalize that which has become stagnant. But their power is so great that there needs to be a Void-like counter-weight from within the Manifest to hold the worlds of Light together. So when I read your sentance I see a paradox. It is both true and not.

Also you speak about light and dark as if they exist on the same playing field. The way I see things, light and dark do, but Manifest and Void do not… and dark comes from Void. They are not two sides of the same coin to me. All things may ultimately be one, but for the sake of how the multiverse was set up, they are forces designed for very different things and it is hard to compare them directly.

[Neiru2012]

@Will wrote:

…you see darkness as potential as apposed to malevolence ?…

Definitely not “malevolence.” Potential? That’s the tip of the iceberg of what it is, yes. “Potential” is the Dark’s most mundane gift to the Manifest. Its deeper offerings are Freedom, Power, Self-Expression, Discernment, Catalyst, Change. It is Liberation from restriction and stagnation. It is the sacred individuality that reminds us that we are the only constant in our existence, and must ultimately face all things alone, from our own center. To me, it is Truth and Joy.
@opalescent wrote:

There aren’t so many here who are afraid of the dark here, but it is something that needs to be… illuminated 😆

It is the nature of Light to be afraid of the Dark. The Dark is unknown, and Light can’t deal with things it doesn’t know (ie: things it can’t define, stabalize, and maintain). The thing is, Darkness doesn’t need to be “illuminated.” This is the “Dark as the absence of Light” mentality. But once you shine Light on Darkness it ceases to be Dark. It collapses a probability wave and manifests. You must learn to see in the dark in order to understand it and work with it for what it is. The senses of Manifest light are of no use here. It’s not simply “that-which-is-not” or the Un-Manifest. I used “that-which-is-not” to emphasize that Dark creates new things that don’t yet exist. But Dark in its own right is very real, and Void exists as its own reality layer regardless of the effects it has on the Manifest.

[Neiru2012]

@Annan wrote:

The fear to be afraid of some-thing, that is supposed to be dark and scary, but is just invisible light.

Funny you should call it “invisible light.” A lot of people think darkness is the absence of light. For them I have a saying: “Light dispels Darkness; Void dispels Light.”

In the technical terms of my cosmology, “light” is a medium of information transfer, it is an energy whose frequencies determine the common ground upon which beings can interact. Starlight (pure energy) is its most primal form, but it solidifies into planets, trees, humans. There are many different types of this “light”… and I don’t mean the various densities/frequencies of light you find in this universe. Each universe, well, each “fundamental” layer of reality (since two universes can both be on the same type of light spectrum), functions on its own light spectrum. Different light spectrums are incompatible with each other; they have no immediate common ground/means of information transfer. That is how I explain why major divisions of reality stay apart (again, I don’t mean 3D and 5D within this universe… I mean Manifest and Void, for example). So the absence of one light spectrum could also mean the presence of another. But light spectrums aren’t the only things separating fundamental reality layers.

This goes a bit into another theory I play with, what I call “Conscious-Mass.” It’s a tweak to the Theory of Relativity that takes into account not just mass, but also consciousness, and that the two can be cor/related. And that the bending of spacetime around an object (literally, a conscious being… such as stars) is related to the power of their consciousmass. This would be a new definition of reality creation… the more powerful a consicousness is, the more they influence(bend) spacetime around them. Of course, different consciousmasses interact with each other all the time, all mutually influencing each other’s reality. The theory further goes to say that the so-called “fundamental layers” of the multiverse are divided by how much consciousmass they are designed to contain. I see black holes as evidence of this. They are holes in the Manifest’s spacetime continuum, and therefore direct entrances to the Void. As such, I see this universe’s critical limit for consciousmass as already shown by physics (the Chandrasekhar limit)! What happens to a star – a Manifst light being – when its consciousmass achieves that critical limit? It implodes into a black hole! That is, it makes the evolutionary leap from one fundamental layer to another.

But what happens as things approach/become a black hole? They heat up and shine brighter than they ever have before as they are torn apart and crushed into the singularity. Light returns to Darkness. And by that reasoning, the Void is actually “the Source” that most people refer to. Not the ultimate Source, but the “local Source.” That is, where all things in this universe come from and return to.

@Will wrote:

…I couldn’t hear the lyrics too well so I googled them…

I’ve never paid much attention to the lyrics in that song, but they are about as nonsensical and violent as Void so it fits. ^_^

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